What Do You Think?
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randlemanboater
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I'm afraid to comment, the Army might perceive me as a threat and I'd disappear.
willy
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We can protect ourselves and retain our liberties.
"Those that surrender liberty to gain security shall have neither liberty or security"
Allowing the government to seize and detain an American Citizen without appearing before a judge and charged with a crime and to place that individual in Cuba indefinitely on the say so of the military or our government is the start of the slippery slope our Founders warned us about.
God Bless Senator Paul for fighting this, and all should remember this in Nov 2012.
our liberties and our Constitution are being eroded daily by an omni present federal government, and never so much as under this socialist administration.
this is not a democrat, republican thing. This is a U.S Citizen thing. this is a what will our kids live under thing.
this is a what did our parents do to us thing.
JMHO
"Those that surrender liberty to gain security shall have neither liberty or security"
Allowing the government to seize and detain an American Citizen without appearing before a judge and charged with a crime and to place that individual in Cuba indefinitely on the say so of the military or our government is the start of the slippery slope our Founders warned us about.
God Bless Senator Paul for fighting this, and all should remember this in Nov 2012.
our liberties and our Constitution are being eroded daily by an omni present federal government, and never so much as under this socialist administration.
this is not a democrat, republican thing. This is a U.S Citizen thing. this is a what will our kids live under thing.
this is a what did our parents do to us thing.
JMHO
reelapeelin
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Glad to see common ground w/the liberal who posted this on my FB...he is as disgusted by this as you are...this a good example of why we need to put aside partisan bickering and get together against the real common threat to our liberties which has become the very lawmakers we elect, only to find them working hard AGAINST US. Lindsey Graham is on the Senate Armed Services Committee...which is the same as on the take from military supplies manufacturers...he and I are from SC, but could NOT be further apart in what we believe to be patriotism and the good of this country...and as you say, Willy, the good of our children.
There's nothing wrong w/our government..except the people who operate it..and WITHIN it. Please put aside your partisan beliefs and vote against every incumbent career politician you can on every level of government...we need to send the message to our lawmakers we are tired of them being lead around by their wallets and will no longer tolerate it. I know the difficulty in what I'm suggesting...a liberal dem voting for a rep??...perish the thought...or a staunch rep pulling the ticket for a liberal dem??...I'll DIE first...but the threat to the American way of life is greater from within than the issues that divide the parties...the arrogance of power that pervades the Congress today has to be dealt with. Vote 'em OUT. NOW.
If there is a sitting politician who is against the status-quo political payola, he/she needs to stand up and denounce corporate ownership of Congress...there's no gray area here...we control our inherited liberties as Americans, or we leave it up to corporate politics...it's really in our hands.
THEFERMANATOR
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http://www.wellcraftv20.com/community/showthread.php?t=16935
Keep in mind that good old senator Mccain was one of the key figures behind this bill to begin with. So this isn't a republican or democrat, or whatever thing, this is the people VS the elitists in charge kind of thing.
Keep in mind that good old senator Mccain was one of the key figures behind this bill to begin with. So this isn't a republican or democrat, or whatever thing, this is the people VS the elitists in charge kind of thing.
reelapeelin
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Isn't McCain on Senate Armed Services Committee as well as Graham..they want to prolong the war cuz it's filling their pockets...having the legal ability to detain Americans would help THEM do just that...yer RIGHT Ferm...party doesn't matter here...it's them against us..and I ain't just imagining this sh!t...
THEFERMANATOR
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Yep, were getting it dry from both sides. If we don't get fresh blood in DC soon, were all done for.
cterrebonne
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wasn't there a document somewhere that was drafted after a war long ago that had some language in there prohibiting the governing nation's army from doing this to their own people. My history is a little rusty. 
willy
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it is called the Posse Comitatus Act - it stated bluntly that the federal government can not use federal troops on U.S soil against its citizens.
It also required the federal government to use local law enforcement to enforce arrests and seizures, to notify them ahead of time and have them present.
Only one state has forced the feds to abide by that law ans that is Michigan.
The other states have let that slip by and not argued the point. That is because they are run by a bunch of Statist"s too.
I am not sure if Michigan is still enforcing it. It use to be that in order for the feds to come knocking they had to produce the Warrant to the County Sheriff and he decided whether to be present or not.
We as Citizens are being DOWN GRADED to bystander status by this federal government.
They tell us, and the states, what we will eat, what medicines we are allowed to take, soon, what insurance we will have to buy, what fish we can catch, where we can drive, what kind of vehicle we can have, how much of their money we will be allowed to keep out of our paychecks, who will be the winners and losers in our economy, what are banks will do, who they must lend to, how much salt is allowed in our food, what type of firearms you can purchase, how many, they have colluded with the universities to inflate the costs of our educations for our kids and they have given power to unions that represent approx 7% of our population.
They enforce only those federal laws which they deem worthy and ignore others, such as immigration and defense of marriage.
They were bad under Bush and Clinton, but under this Low Life and Chief Socialist all these things and hundreds more have been taken to an all time Orwellian high.
He must be thrown out Nov 2012 or once he becomes an second (and last) term POTUS he will have no reason to even mildly disguise his true intentions.
And while your at it throw out anyone who has not got
"Tea Party Endorsed" by their names as they are the only ones standing up to this onslaught and demanded fiscal and constitutional accountability in our government.
I don't care if he or she is not a fancy speaker or has funny hair or talks like they come from the streets, has no kids or fifteen kids, been married forty times or has not attended church in forty years or fly's to the Vatican once a week to kiss the Pope's big toe.
Elect a Constitutional Defender, a Fiscal Conservative, and Citizen respected by the Tea Party.
It also required the federal government to use local law enforcement to enforce arrests and seizures, to notify them ahead of time and have them present.
Only one state has forced the feds to abide by that law ans that is Michigan.
The other states have let that slip by and not argued the point. That is because they are run by a bunch of Statist"s too.
I am not sure if Michigan is still enforcing it. It use to be that in order for the feds to come knocking they had to produce the Warrant to the County Sheriff and he decided whether to be present or not.
We as Citizens are being DOWN GRADED to bystander status by this federal government.
They tell us, and the states, what we will eat, what medicines we are allowed to take, soon, what insurance we will have to buy, what fish we can catch, where we can drive, what kind of vehicle we can have, how much of their money we will be allowed to keep out of our paychecks, who will be the winners and losers in our economy, what are banks will do, who they must lend to, how much salt is allowed in our food, what type of firearms you can purchase, how many, they have colluded with the universities to inflate the costs of our educations for our kids and they have given power to unions that represent approx 7% of our population.
They enforce only those federal laws which they deem worthy and ignore others, such as immigration and defense of marriage.
They were bad under Bush and Clinton, but under this Low Life and Chief Socialist all these things and hundreds more have been taken to an all time Orwellian high.
He must be thrown out Nov 2012 or once he becomes an second (and last) term POTUS he will have no reason to even mildly disguise his true intentions.
And while your at it throw out anyone who has not got
"Tea Party Endorsed" by their names as they are the only ones standing up to this onslaught and demanded fiscal and constitutional accountability in our government.
I don't care if he or she is not a fancy speaker or has funny hair or talks like they come from the streets, has no kids or fifteen kids, been married forty times or has not attended church in forty years or fly's to the Vatican once a week to kiss the Pope's big toe.
Elect a Constitutional Defender, a Fiscal Conservative, and Citizen respected by the Tea Party.
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I agree he needs to go, but we need to also open our eyes and realize the R or D next to there title no longer means anything. ALL of them can be corrupt, and I think most any of them who have been there for any amount time are corrupt despite what they say they stand for. I know I'm in the minority, but the only canidate I've seen in awhile that seems to be true to his word has been Ron Paul, but to many won't take him seriously. It seems like all of the R canidates are just as bad as our current commander and thief. The whole lot of em needs to be thrown out and we need to start over with fresh blood and term limits for all. I also say we start doing progress reports on them to see who actually does what they promised to do, and who hasn't. Give us the option to boot em if they flip flop so as to keep people in there to do what the "people" want, not what they elitists want.
reelapeelin
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Ferm...you are not at all "by yourself"...when you said "the R or D next to their title no longer means anything" I had to jump up and SHOUT!!...we have no gov't ...we have no representation as long as our lawmakers are on the take...Willy seems to think if we run a TPer up to the White House, everything's gonna be alright...but it's like I told him recently...bickering over party politics right now is like having a fleet of 18 wheelers coming down the interstate and standing in the middle lane arguing over what color the center lines oughtta be...WHO is in office doesn't matter as long as ALL are dangling from the purse strings of big money, special interests and corporations...your vote means nothing as long as our politicians are selling theirs...
Glad to read your post, Ferm!!...
bradford
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I think our PUBLIC SERVANTS should wear uniforms like nascar drivers showing who their sponsors are. The more money from a big corporation or industry the bigger the logo. Then we'd at least know who they're really looking for. I liked the tea party until Sarah Palin started sponging off them, hell, I used to like Sarah Palin. The more I study the way things really are though I've realized they're both controlled opposition working for the neocon republicans. On the other side the OWS movement is the same way being run by the folks pushing socialism/communism. None of these people are working with the benefits of regular middle class folks in mind. Eventually they want a super rich elite to own everything and the rest of us to be chattel working to serve their interests.
Hell, it's just about like that already.
Things will get worse before they get worse.
Hell, it's just about like that already.
Things will get worse before they get worse.
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reelapeelin
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Laughed out LOUD!!...what a GREAT idea!!...I can see Linsey Graham R-SC and John McCain R-AZ w/HALIBURTON emblazoned across their back sides!!...Pelosi D-CA w/CITICORP logo on her BUTT!!...Bachmann w/an Evangel Cathedral cross stickin' outta the top of her head..."I'll pray for pay!" on back of her jacket...
We better be careful, Bradford...we don't wanna give the money grubbers any more ideas...LOL!!
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I don't think voting in a teaparty canidate will solve everything, but I think it would be a step in the right direction to get some blood in DC that is approved of by the people. And the problem I see with the teaparty and Sarah Palin is the machine has gotten ahold of them and distorted them from there origanal intents. DC has a way of corrupting all. I guess it goes back to the old saying of power corrupts, but absolute power corrupts absolutely. Our nation is in need of a rebellion on the part of the people. I'm not calling for war here as that will not solve anything, but what we need to do is bring the constitution back and follow it. We need to go back to taking care of our fellow man and not just looking out for ourselves like our politicians have been doing for years. And I'm sure many would not agree with me, but I believe we need to start trying politicians who are only looking out for themselves for treason as they are out to destroy "OUR NATION".
The teaparty was a good start, but I'm afraid that DC is getting it's hooks into it now as they have realized it is a force to be reckoned with. And the OWS crowd are for the most part a bunch of brain dead zombies supporting the very people they are protesting with all the crap they are using in there protest. The hypocrasy in this nation today is sickening to me, and I'm sure many others. So I stand by my statement that we need a PEACEFUL revolution in this nation to return it to the people and take it back from the special interests that it has now come to represent.
The teaparty was a good start, but I'm afraid that DC is getting it's hooks into it now as they have realized it is a force to be reckoned with. And the OWS crowd are for the most part a bunch of brain dead zombies supporting the very people they are protesting with all the crap they are using in there protest. The hypocrasy in this nation today is sickening to me, and I'm sure many others. So I stand by my statement that we need a PEACEFUL revolution in this nation to return it to the people and take it back from the special interests that it has now come to represent.
reelapeelin
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...Well put...I couldn't have said it any better......and I agree w/your thoughts about bringing more politicians to trial...and rewriting the laws to make what they're doing illegal...
THEFERMANATOR
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...and I agree w/your thoughts about bringing more politicians to trial...and rewriting the laws to make what they're doing illegal...
I'm not so much in favor of adding more laws so much as I am of removing protections they have come to enjoy away. If we went back to the origanal founders way of thinking more so than what we have now. I think we need to have some advancements in the laws to keep with the times, but I don't agree with them being wrote in pencil like they are now to suit whatever fancy's the needs of the politicians. They need to be held accountable for there actions, and suffer consequences for them as well. It goes back to discipline, something which has been lost upon many as of late which can be illustrated by the OWS crowd.
And it's scary to think some dumb hick cracker like me could sound educated and write something that others agree with
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reelapeelin
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I hear what yer sayin' about more laws...for me the general rule is; less is better...unfortunately a lot of the things our Congresspeople are doing are clearly WRONG, but not illegal...and ya can't prosecute unless it's against the law...should existing laws be better enforced?..damn right...
On a similar note...note all the presidential forerunners are running to the feet of Donald Trump like *****s to a troop ship...could it be any more blatant what's going on??...Palin visits, Bachmann visits, Perry visits and now Newt trots his fat *** to the towers...and I'm not blind at all to Obama being on the take as well...it's rampant throughout...and we got NOTHIN...
On a similar note...note all the presidential forerunners are running to the feet of Donald Trump like *****s to a troop ship...could it be any more blatant what's going on??...Palin visits, Bachmann visits, Perry visits and now Newt trots his fat *** to the towers...and I'm not blind at all to Obama being on the take as well...it's rampant throughout...and we got NOTHIN...