Top speed with " little etec 200 vs big 200 HO" ?
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spareparts
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about 5 mph slower than Ridges V with the big merc
seriously, if I were re powering a V with an E-Tec, I'd probably run the "small Block" 200 for the weight savings
seriously, if I were re powering a V with an E-Tec, I'd probably run the "small Block" 200 for the weight savings
randlemanboater
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Does BRP put out "Performance Bulletins" like Yamaha?
randlemanboater
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They do...you just have to dig through and find the 2 motors on the same or similar boats to compare.
http://www.evinrude.com/en-CA/Tools/Performance-Reports-Library?engineId=&boatBrandId=&boatTypeId=
http://www.evinrude.com/en-CA/Tools/Performance-Reports-Library?engineId=&boatBrandId=&boatTypeId=
Genie Aye
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First--200HO is 510lbs
200 is 418lbs
100lbs to small block
The 200HO is also 218 hp at the prop.
The speed difference should not be more then 5 to 7 mph I would think.
Question is --how fast do you want to go???
With mine loaded for tuna--means ice--alot-Fish hold full, gear, food, 30 gallon bait tank full of water, people and 70+ gallons of fuel with arch and stand up top--I can run 49+ agianst a good 15 knot head wind--Best I have seen is 53+ with the 200HO. Faster than I need to go most of the time on Saltwater. But it does cruise real easy at 35 to 40 and not even work with the heavy load.
200 is 418lbs
100lbs to small block
The 200HO is also 218 hp at the prop.
The speed difference should not be more then 5 to 7 mph I would think.
Question is --how fast do you want to go???
With mine loaded for tuna--means ice--alot-Fish hold full, gear, food, 30 gallon bait tank full of water, people and 70+ gallons of fuel with arch and stand up top--I can run 49+ agianst a good 15 knot head wind--Best I have seen is 53+ with the 200HO. Faster than I need to go most of the time on Saltwater. But it does cruise real easy at 35 to 40 and not even work with the heavy load.
RidgeRunner
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I might get the opportunity to do some side by side comparisons with a friend that has the 200HO. They are quiet and smooth. His hull is a 21' Paramount center console. So far the V and the Paramount are surprisingly similar in top end numbers with the Paramount having 25 less ponies. Him running a Johnson 225 Fict and my running the 250 EFI.
Weight is a serious consideration. I switched from a 450 lb EFI to the 505 lb DFI in the same advertised hp and displacement and lost MPH. What I gained in economy was worth the move but the added weight hurt the balance.
He changed from the Fict to the E-tec and went from 225 to 200 hp. He claims the E-tec will run circles around his old motor even giving up hp. The big block E-tec is bound to have more torque but does it have enough to evercome the weight disadvantage? Based on what Kevin is telling me I think 5 to 7 mph. (If you can live with the weight) If I could trade today for a new 200 DFI or 4 stroke that only weighed 400 lbs I would get rid of the 505 lb monster in a heartbeat. Maybe the 175 Opti ? I think it is around 435lbs.
Genie full load of fuel and five passengers loaded for a day on the water I can touch 53.
Weight is a serious consideration. I switched from a 450 lb EFI to the 505 lb DFI in the same advertised hp and displacement and lost MPH. What I gained in economy was worth the move but the added weight hurt the balance.
He changed from the Fict to the E-tec and went from 225 to 200 hp. He claims the E-tec will run circles around his old motor even giving up hp. The big block E-tec is bound to have more torque but does it have enough to evercome the weight disadvantage? Based on what Kevin is telling me I think 5 to 7 mph. (If you can live with the weight) If I could trade today for a new 200 DFI or 4 stroke that only weighed 400 lbs I would get rid of the 505 lb monster in a heartbeat. Maybe the 175 Opti ? I think it is around 435lbs.
Genie full load of fuel and five passengers loaded for a day on the water I can touch 53.
THEFERMANATOR
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Also keep in mind his 225 FICHT was most likely a 3.0L or 3.1L engine where as the ETEC is a 3.3L or 3.4L engine(can't rememebr teh exact displacement off the top of my head right now). The torque differrence between the 225 and 200 is also HUGE!(the 200HO is about as under rated of an engine as you can get)
spareparts
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do you really think that ficht was actually running on all cylinders?
175 OPTI is probably the best engine all around for a V. Interesting about the paramount, I always thought they were quite a bit faster,
175 OPTI is probably the best engine all around for a V. Interesting about the paramount, I always thought they were quite a bit faster,
RidgeRunner
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The Paramount 21 has a lot of hook built into the bottom so they don't fly the nose that well. They always look and feel hooked up and nose down. The old Fict was tired but running well. The E-tec he got already has a ton of hours. He bought a trailer load of Etec powerheads, mids and lowers and has built a couple frankenmotors. They run great. When they figure out how to break in and modify the ECM the Etec will be even more amazing, they have a lot of potential as race motors which is ironic because Bambardier doesn't even have a racing division. Unlike Mercury...
Bennett's comments:
The little 200hp Evinrude may be the best choice for a V - weight 418
Compare: The 175hp Mercury Opti ..................................weight 413
The 200pm Merc Opti...................................weight 497
The 175hp Yami weight 505
* My 1996 Evinrude 150 hp looper with less than 150 hours weight 375 !
So if / when I re power, the " little etec 200hp " adds only 43lbs, at least 50hp,
high tech / fuel economy and probably..........5-7mph faster top speed to hit
about 46mph +. Not bad.....
To hit 55mph + on a V, it takes custom power, or more weight than the boat can handle.
RidgeRunner
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So if / when I re power, the " little etec 200hp " adds only 43lbs, at least 50hp,
high tech / fuel economy and probably..........5-7mph faster top speed to hit
about 46mph +. Not bad.....
If you go back to the thread you started on top speed.
I gained 13.7 mph adding 50 hp and a few more cubes.
The little E-tec is a great choice IMO. I expect you would go over 50mph when light. Should carry weight to 45 anytime you have the opportunity.
The Big E-tec, why not just go the full monty and put a 300 on it
I seriously love your threads.
Repower at 150 hours, WHAT?
high tech / fuel economy and probably..........5-7mph faster top speed to hit
about 46mph +. Not bad.....
If you go back to the thread you started on top speed.
I gained 13.7 mph adding 50 hp and a few more cubes.
The little E-tec is a great choice IMO. I expect you would go over 50mph when light. Should carry weight to 45 anytime you have the opportunity.
The Big E-tec, why not just go the full monty and put a 300 on it
I seriously love your threads.
Repower at 150 hours, WHAT?
THEFERMANATOR
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Man, 150 hours they just starting to loosen up a bit and really run. You know teh old saying, they always run there best just before they go POP! So I always run the snot out of em, and when they REALLY run strong I worry.
Not dumping the Rude 150, it's a fine simple motor.
Likely to run it till it quits, or I win the lottery whichever doesn't come first.
reelapeelin
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In the long run, IMO the small block 200 Etec is gonna be your best buy...considering weight/horsepower of the motor itself and combination of that w/a V20 hull, it makes a nice long-haul package...
In the long run, IMO the small block 200 Etec is gonna be your best buy...considering weight/horsepower of the motor itself and combination of that w/a V20 hull, it makes a nice long-haul package...
This boat cruises fine in the 25- 35mph range.
It also handles fast cruising just fine too ............ and that's the thing. It's cool to have the HP to run 50mph +, and therefore zip along at 40- 45mph when you want to get there in a hurry and conditions allow.
I've already run my V21 from off the Jersey Highlands down to Seaside.
That's maybe 25 miles in the ocean and when it's flat or just rollers, sometimes I like to get going. Since i have the 150 hp on mine, that's about 30-35 for fast cruising. ( WOT is a hair over 40mph )
What prop are you using - Rebel, Viper, other ?
Genie - not sure how you're doing it, but whatever ..........that's impressive .
My 200 HO with the 18" Rebel is turning 5,300 rpm, so I'm going to drop to the 17" to get the motor spinning more freely............. likely 5,600 +/-.
Top speed with 3/4 fuel and two on board was about 46 mph, so I hope to pick up 2-4 mph with the revised prop.
I'm very impressed with total performance- from starting, trolling, mid range.