The siege on our Capitol

[bgreene]

In fairness, that definition exactly fits the rioting left wing mobs for more than a year and continuing today. The result of permissioning this kind of lawlessness is the spreading of lawlessness, e.g. kids now think it’s OK to organize threats against schools on TikTok. This largely inconsequence lawlessness is a very serious threat to our democracy and very destructive to the way of life our magnificent country has achieved.

You can hold whatever opinion you have as to the severity of the capitol violence and Trump’s character, but I think not vigorously engaging this very serious, virulent threat is a huge mistake. I think anyone not working hard to vote out the far left, incompetent and flagrantly dishonest office holders who are perpetuating this foolishness is way far off a reasonable path - ignoring a huge body of facts and truth that is before us every day.

Scook - I don’t “ hold any OPINION I want “ about the violent Insurrection attempt to stop our legally voted Presidential transfer of power from Trump to Biden .
I write about the FACTS OF WHAT TOOK PLACE- those who encouraged it, those that delayed action to stop it, those guilty of the violence, and those that try to minimize and lie what happened.

We WILL NOT dismiss the historic attempt to kill our Vice President and stop our democratic process by virtue of comparison to other violent demonstrations.

Inner city violence is another issue and problem.

 

[scook]

My point remains - I just don’t see you engaging what is a very serious threat to our national wellbeing.

If the FBI was doing it’s job, having plenty of notice via social media, they would have coordinated a large federal law enforcement presence at the capitol, stopped the violent members of the group from getting in and there would still have been a big demonstration.

If I were in charge of local law enforcement in my city, Portland, I would have placed a very large police presence in the path of the domestic terrorists who were attacking public and private buildings and citizens, causing millions of dollars of damage, serious injury and death and bankrupting a lot of businesses, many minority owned. I would have invited federal law enforcement to protect federal facilities and personnel, not referred to them as occupiers and thugs like our state and city officials did. I would have had all violent offenders arrested (of course, to get them prosecuted, we would have had to get rid of our far left foolish DA as well).

My opinion of the severity of the capitol violence and Trump’s connection to it is definitely less extreme than yours, but I’m very concerned about what happened. I think if you really care about the big picture of our well-being, and I think you do, you should show significantly more concern than is expressed in your posts.

 

[bgreene]

My point remains - I just don’t see you engaging what is a very serious threat to our national wellbeing.

If the FBI was doing it’s job, having plenty of notice via social media, they would have coordinated a large federal law enforcement presence at the capitol, stopped the violent members of the group from getting in and there would still have been a big demonstration.

If I were in charge of local law enforcement in my city, Portland, I would have placed a very large police presence in the path of the domestic terrorists who were attacking public and private buildings and citizens, causing millions of dollars of damage, serious injury and death and bankrupting a lot of businesses, many minority owned. I would have invited federal law enforcement to protect federal facilities and personnel, not referred to them as occupiers and thugs like our state and city officials did. I would have had all violent offenders arrested (of course, to get them prosecuted, we would have had to get rid of our far left foolish DA as well).

My opinion of the severity of the capitol violence and Trump’s connection to it is definitely less extreme than yours, but I’m very concerned about what happened. I think if you really care about the big picture of our well-being, and I think you do, you should show significantly more concern than is expressed in your posts.

1. The amount of concern I write about specific to any particular subject is mine to choose …..and yours to judge if you wish. Mostly irrelevant to me.

2. The Capitol Insurrection attempt was a historical violent event that challenged the integrity of our democratic continuum .

So post all you want about urban violence. As stated, I don’t connect the two as excuse for either .

 

[scook]

I’m not suggesting any excuse, one for the other - it just seems to me that the rampant domestic terrorism and lawlessness is a very serious threat. There was zero possibility of the capitol violence stopping the transition of power - the most it could have done is delay it a little. No excuse, it was reprehensible, but it’s importance is, I think overestimated. The ongoing anarchist rioting is changing the country in ways that are going to be difficult to recover from.

Maybe I’m wrong, but you seem to be pretty dismissive of something that needs the urgent attention of ALL of us.

 

[bgreene]

I’m not suggesting any excuse, one for the other - it just seems to me that the rampant domestic terrorism and lawlessness is a very serious threat. There was zero possibility of the capitol violence stopping the transition of power - the most it could have done is delay it a little. No excuse, it was reprehensible, but it’s importance is, I think overestimated. The ongoing anarchist rioting is changing the country in ways that are going to be difficult to recover from.

Maybe I’m wrong, but you seem to be pretty dismissive of something that needs the urgent attention of ALL of us.

So start your own thread and write about it.
Are you just stubborn or you can’t understand .

You write what you want —- I’ll write what I want .
Stop begging me to write about what you want.

 

[Destroyer]

So start your own thread and write about it.
Are you just stubborn or you can’t understand .

You write what you want —- I’ll write what I want .
Stop begging me to write about what you want.

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And "that" dear readers, is exactly the dismissive sort of opinion that Scook was referring to. The "I don't really care what you think, my opinion is all that matters" attitude, followed by a snarky comment at the end, aimed at the person rather than the subject.

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[scook]

Exactly. I think you’d be hard pressed to find me doing any begging of any kind. It’s remarkable that you purport to be a concerned patriot, while ducking and ignoring discussion of the most important problems facing the country.

It seems to be more important to you to be “right” than to engage in real discussion. You talk about conspiracy theories, but your flags on buildings, silencing the opposition and establishing a dictatorship is a conspiracy theory to match the craziest of them. If President Trump was so powerful, how, when he WAS president was he constantly under attack by flagrant liars and constantly badgered by the very liberal press he’s supposed to be able to suppress, lying about him, and imputing ludicrous meanings to honest, reasonable statements he made?

I’ve read pretty much all of your posts and while I agree with some of your conclusions/opinions, your citing of, for the most part, heavily biased to flagrantly dishonest “news” sources and then drawing wildly extreme conclusions (opinions) has diminished your credibility to near zero.

You are very confident in your opinions, but much less competent in forming them. I had hoped to generate some thoughtful, respectful discussion but that doesn’t seem possible when the least disagreement with you generates snarky, off subject, unresponsive, disrespectful responses.

 

[bgreene]

Exactly. I think you’d be hard pressed to find me doing any begging of any kind. It’s remarkable that you purport to be a concerned patriot, while ducking and ignoring discussion of the most important problems facing the country.

It seems to be more important to you to be “right” than to engage in real discussion. You talk about conspiracy theories, but your flags on buildings, silencing the opposition and establishing a dictatorship is a conspiracy theory to match the craziest of them. If President Trump was so powerful, how, when he WAS president was he constantly under attack by flagrant liars and constantly badgered by the very liberal press he’s supposed to be able to suppress, lying about him, and imputing ludicrous meanings to honest, reasonable statements he made?

I’ve read pretty much all of your posts and while I agree with some of your conclusions/opinions, your citing of, for the most part, heavily biased to flagrantly dishonest “news” sources and then drawing wildly extreme conclusions (opinions) has diminished your credibility to near zero.

You are very confident in your opinions, but much less competent in forming them. I had hoped to generate some thoughtful, respectful discussion but that doesn’t seem possible when the least disagreement with you generates snarky, off subject, unresponsive, disrespectful responses.

“ heavily biased to flagrantly dishonest news sources “ you say.
Well then since I’ve posted news from nearly all of our major news sources it gets down to
accepting or denying FACTS.

You want to write about urban violence — have at it.
I don’t have to write about anything because you demand it .
I’ve answered you 3-4 times now but you keep making your demand.
Sorry sir - I don’t take your orders

 

[scook]

No orders involved - again, your response is not responsive and imputes motives and demands that aren’t there. I’m just observing that for a concerned patriot, purporting to be addressing the top, pressing issues, you seem comfortable ignoring what are clearly some of the most important ones.

 

[bgreene]

No orders involved - again, your response is not responsive and imputes motives and demands that aren’t there. I’m just observing that for a concerned patriot, purporting to be addressing the top, pressing issues, you seem comfortable ignoring what are clearly some of the most important ones.

What I “seem to be ignoring” in your opinion is fine with me.
I write on the topics of my choosing and suggest you do likewise.
Difference between you and me here is I don’t monitor what topics you write about .

If you had asked me - what I think of the escalation in urban violent and destructive demonstrations - my answer is its very wrong and the extreme left is partly responsible for not speaking up.

I do NOT however excuse those involved in the Capitol Insurrection attack based on any other events. It stands for what it was .

 

[Pipe_Dream]

Exactly. I think you’d be hard pressed to find me doing any begging of any kind. It’s remarkable that you purport to be a concerned patriot, while ducking and ignoring discussion of the most important problems facing the country.

It seems to be more important to you to be “right” than to engage in real discussion. You talk about conspiracy theories, but your flags on buildings, silencing the opposition and establishing a dictatorship is a conspiracy theory to match the craziest of them. If President Trump was so powerful, how, when he WAS president was he constantly under attack by flagrant liars and constantly badgered by the very liberal press he’s supposed to be able to suppress, lying about him, and imputing ludicrous meanings to honest, reasonable statements he made?

I’ve read pretty much all of your posts and while I agree with some of your conclusions/opinions, your citing of, for the most part, heavily biased to flagrantly dishonest “news” sources and then drawing wildly extreme conclusions (opinions) has diminished your credibility to near zero.

You are very confident in your opinions, but much less competent in forming them. I had hoped to generate some thoughtful, respectful discussion but that doesn’t seem possible when the least disagreement with you generates snarky, off subject, unresponsive, disrespectful responses.

 

[bgreene]

What I seem to be ignoring in your opinion is fine with me.
I write on the topics of my choosing and suggest you do likewise.
Difference between you and me here is I dont monitor what topics you write about .

If you had asked me - what I think of the escalation in urban violent and destructive demonstrations - my answer is its very wrong and the extreme left is partly responsible for not speaking up.

I do NOT however excuse those involved in the Capitol Insurrection attack based on any other events. It stands for what it was .

For all those who pretend not to understand Ill simplify further :
1. I write on topics of my choice
2. You do likewise
3. If I dont write on a subject of your preference, oh well thats fine too and try not to be a control freak .

 

[bgreene]

This threads not about other topics some wish I’d write about - it’s about the historic and violent insurrection attempt at our Capitol - headed up by violent trump supporters .

Approx 140 police injured - some seriously .
Threats to hang our Vice President, while the Presidents own son pleaded with White House staff to get his father to speak up against the attack .

This was and shall remain a major assault on our democracy - one that’s not over.
Our Justice Dept has launched the largest criminal investigation in the history of our country as they collect the facts and criminals of this event

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/09/965472049/the-capitol-siege-the-arrested-and-their-stories