Reflections on the election.....

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If Biden gets his way, here's another "fact". In his first 100 days in office Biden has proposed increases (under the guise of "infrastructure) of 4.8 Trillion dollars. As a timeline, that's way more than the 20 Trillion that Obama saddled us with during his first term, and way more than what Trump saddled us with during his first 100 days in office. Facts matter

Here's another fact. Most of the debt that Trump precided over was caused by a democrat controlled Congress. LOLOL
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DESTROYER .......Obama inherited the GEORGE BUSH fiasco ......trillion dollar spend going after the wrong target after the 911 attack. Obamas stimulus plan cost money but resulted in the economic recovery that Trump inherited . FACT look it up .

You put quotes around my word fact as if its not true because youre a Trump supporter.
Thats what Trump did.........label things he didnt like as fake news.
His spokes person Kelly Conway even made up the term alternative facts .
There is no such thing .

Yes FACTS matter and Trump is a lying cheating con man traitor who may be in jail 2024 rather than running for office again. In jail for tax fraud business fraud and other crimes . As a traitor he should be in jail for high crimes against our nation.
 
Greenie, I'm sorry but I've had enough. It took me a while to realize that you're just trolling these forums looking for an argument. Here you even went back to a post that's 5 years old looking for a fight. 5 years!! What did you do, make a search of posts here just so you could find something to argue about? No matter what I or anyone else says you will just poo-poo it, add more useless comments and dribble about how bad orange man was. You're a troll with severe TDS and I should have seen it earlier. Debating you is useless, so go right ahead and spout all your distorted, useless facts and false information. You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you in the A$$. I'm done talking to you.
Have a nice day.
 
Destroyer said:
Greenie, I'm sorry but I've had enough. It took me a while to realize that you're just trolling these forums looking for an argument. Here you even went back to a post that's 5 years old looking for a fight. 5 years!! What did you do, make a search of posts here just so you could find something to argue about? No matter what I or anyone else says you will just poo-poo it, add more useless comments and dribble about how bad orange man was. You're a troll with severe TDS and I should have seen it earlier. Debating you is useless, so go right ahead and spout all your distorted, useless facts and false information. You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you in the A$$. I'm done talking to you.
Have a nice day.
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TRUMPERS typically turn to anger and insults rather than deal with the truth.
I post FACTS not BS. BS is a waste of time .
This is the Political Forum and there are no rules specific to date of last reply.

You refer to the FACTS as useless.
I believe the facts are critically important to our great country’s history and future.
 
bgreene said:
TRUMPERS typically turn to anger and insults rather than deal with the truth.
I post FACTS not BS. BS is a waste of time .
This is the Political Forum and there are no rules specific to date of last reply.
You refer to the FACTS as useless.
I believe the facts are critically important to our great country***8217;s history and future.
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I said I was done talking to you, but you have made accusations about me that are not true, so I must respond.
First, no anger is present on my side. I'm not insulting anyone. I didn't use derogatory words like dumb, idiotic, stupid, snowflake, etc. The only thing I did was post facts. I used labels, well established for years now in internet jargon, to describe a particular type of person, . Troll is a descriptive adjective identifying a particular type of person. TDS is the same thing. These are not derogatory name calling, just identifiers.


I deal with truth on a daily basis, in everything I say and do.

The truth is I never said that facts were useless. Please show me where I said that. And yes, I agree with you that real facts, not the made up, spun lies that the left wing controlled media puts out, are critically important to our Country's history and future. (What a shame the Dem's don't).

So I have a question for you and all Dems.

I'm just so curious to know!

Last year, when Conservatives worried that a Biden victory would result in massive changes to tilt the playing field in favor of a perpetual Democrat majority***8212;specifically:
1) Packing the Supreme Court (to allow Democrats to fill 4 new positions and assure victory for their agenda, regardless of Constitutional merit)
2) Creating a New Democrat-majority state out of Washington DC (rather than allowing the residential areas of the district to revert to the state of MD.)
3) Ending the filibuster, so that the senate no longer is structured to ensure that 60% must agree to pass contentious laws.

When we fretted about this last fall we were assured that Biden was the ultimate middle-of-the-road guy, a reasonable correction to the divisive Trump.

Well, here we are, and all of the aforementioned items are on the agenda. Do not expect any to be vetoed by Biden.

My question(s) to you is: were you simply repeating talking points? Did you want this all along, and just pretended to be in favor of incremental changes that are supported by the majority?

I mean, I can't imagine that you would think that it would have been fine for the GOP to enlarge the court during the Trump administration. So, my conclusion is that this is a power grab, necessary to allow the enactment of laws that would never pass through justices that actually enforce the
Constitution (which statehood for DC does not permit)

If I sound a bit overwrought, it's just that it seems to me to be the end of our 2-party system. Or am I somehow wrong and we weren't lied to?
 
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DESTROYER .....I don’t pretend anything in these political posts .

Supreme Court ....
Do you remember when Republicans BLOCKED Obama’s very solid pick Merritt Garland.
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnells BS excuse was it was too close to the election.
Total BS and no such law supported that refusal.

Then two months before this Presidential election after Ginsberg died , McConnell did the total reverse and said the Senate would do a quick vote to allow Trumps pick for the Supreme Court.

FYI .....the Supreme Court is not limited to 9 members and the number has varied through our history .

This thread being REFLECTIONS ON ELECTION ......should be a confirmation of Trump the traitor. He tried to steal a fair election, he tried to force even Republican state leaders to cheat on the election ( he’s on tape doing so ) and he purposefully allowed attack on our Capitol, leaders and Vice President .

Reflection on Election ?
How close we came to becoming a DICTATORSHIP under Trump.
May he spend the rest of his lying cheating life in our Super Max Prison.
 
Real questions that I have about the current administration:

Does anyone think the Biden tax plan is going to help the economy? How about the capital gains tax increase?

Does anyone think the Biden tax plan will boost the middle class, boost small businesses and lead to more jobs?

If so, I'd love to hear how because to me it sounds like a real job/economy killer.

We had to pay state taxes and came close to having to pay federal this year. We pay in the max amount and also have other deductions. This is the first time ever having to pay either state or federal. Our accountant says it is going to get much worse. (We do not make anywhere close to 400K in case you are wondering).
 
bgreene said:
DESTROYER .....I don’t pretend anything in these political posts .

Supreme Court ....
Do you remember when Republicans BLOCKED Obama’s very solid pick Merritt Garland.
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnells BS excuse was it was too close to the election.
Total BS and no such law supported that refusal.
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True, but it didn't change the number of justices, just who they were. Your example is poor at best because it doesn't answer the question that was asked, it just points to something totally different, as though that was somehow relevant.


bgreene said:
Then two months before this Presidential election after Ginsberg died , McConnell did the total reverse and said the Senate would do a quick vote to allow Trumps pick for the Supreme Court.

FYI .....the Supreme Court is not limited to 9 members and the number has varied through our history .
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A little history lesson for you. For over 150 YEARS the number of seats on the supreme court has stood at 9 seats. Originally the number was 6 back in the 1700's but as the Country grew more seats were added until we reached the present number in 1869. In 1937 Roosevelt tried to pack the court so he could get his New Deal (Hmmm.... where have I heard that phrase before?) laws passed but was ultimately defeated in his plan. While you are correct that the number of seats has varied it has NEVER been more than 9 seats total. (In fact, Biden himself, back in 1983, called the idea of packing the court a "boneheaded idea" A "terrible, terrible" plan).


bgreene said:
This thread being REFLECTIONS ON ELECTION ......should be a confirmation of Trump the traitor. He tried to steal a fair election, he tried to force even Republican state leaders to cheat on the election ( he’s on tape doing so ) and he purposefully allowed attack on our Capitol, leaders and Vice President .
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Really? Your source please. What is your proof that he tried to force leaders to cheat? Be specific. He is, however, on tape and video telling his supporters, during the Capitol protest, to be peaceful, so where is your proof that he allowed an attack on our Capital? https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...to-be-peaceful-after-protesters-storm-capitol


bgreene said:
Reflection on Election ?
How close we came to becoming a DICTATORSHIP under Trump.
May he spend the rest of his lying cheating life in our Super Max Prison.
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LOL To that remark I can only point to Pipe Dream's comment.

Let me point out that the Dems are in total control of 90% of the media, Social media, the presidency, both houses of Congress and now they want to pack the Supreme Court with yes-men (or women) members that will rubber stamp and pass anything they (the far left Democrats) want. We are closer to a dictatorship now than at any time ever before in the history of our Country. And parrots that just keep repeating the same old Dem talking points without really knowing or understanding how dangerous a time we are living in should shut up.


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Reflections on the election......this thread title:

Well lets post some FACTS about TRUMP
1. Trump lost the election
2. Trump tried to change the outcome
3. Trump tried to force officials to change the outcome
4. Trump almost got our VP killed and other members of our govt
while he gleefully watched on TV our Capitol being raided and our police beaten.

Sounds like a horror movie about a Democracy in great peril .
It was, and thankfully THE MAJORITY of AMERICANS voted him out !!!!

Trump the traitor X President of the United States.
Mt Rushmore .......nope more like Federal Prison for life
 
bgreene said:
Reflections on the election......this thread title:

Well lets post some FACTS about TRUMP
1. Trump lost the election
2. Trump tried to change the outcome
3. Trump tried to force officials to change the outcome
4. Trump almost got our VP killed and other members of our govt
while he gleefully watched on TV our Capitol being raided and our police beaten.

Sounds like a horror movie about a Democracy in great peril .
It was, and thankfully THE MAJORITY of AMERICANS voted him out !!!!

Trump the traitor X President of the United States.
Mt Rushmore .......nope more like Federal Prison for life
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You want facts? Trump received MORE votes (75 MILLION) in the last election than ANY person that ever ran for the office. He even received 2 million more than Hillary. He lost because of the electoral collage, which is how it should be. However there was and still remains a large amount of suspicion about certain states he lost due to irregularities in counting of ballots and mail in ballots. Although the lawsuits that followed were thrown out by various courts, 98% of them were thrown out not because they were invalid (in fact several judges said they had merit and that he probably would have won them) They were thrown out because the statue of limitations had expired. So if you call filing lawsuits "trying to change the election" you're exactly right.


I'll ask you again, where is your proof that Trump tried to force anyone illegally to change the outcome? Why do you keep dodging the question?


Exactly HOW did Trump almost get our VP killed? You mean in the capitol protest? The only persons killed in the protest were 4 protestors. (Don't tell me the BS about the capitol police officer that was killed after getting hit with an fire extinguisher because that has been proven to be a false narrative. In FACT, the police officer died of 2 massive strokes 2 days after the protest. Several doctors have stated that his death was not connected in any way with the protest. There exists NO video of any capitol police getting beaten, so where is your proof of that lie?



See, like I said... just more untrue talking points with no proof.



LOL Polly want a cracker?




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DESTROYER ......you say Trump got 75 million votes .
Yes so what Biden got over 80 million votes and won the election.

Trump got around 250 electoral votes Biden got over 300 and won the election.

Even our Supreme Court with Trump appointees refused to engage with Trumps Presidential election nonsense.

But if you believe then its my opinion that you fell for the Trump con game.
Human history has way too many examples of con men that gained great power before losing.

Trump LOST the election by the same fair process that he boasted about in 2016.
Now he faces many, many law suits, which youll likely cry foul about .
 
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bgreene said:
DESTROYER ......you say Trump got 75 million votes .
Yes so what Biden got over 80 million votes and won the election.

Trump got around 250 electoral votes Biden got over 300 and won the election.

Even our Supreme Court with Trump appointees refused to engage with Trumps Presidential election nonsense.

But if you believe then its my opinion that you fell for the Trump con game.
Human history has way too many examples of con men that gained great power before losing.

Trump LOST the election by the same fair process that he boasted about in 2016.
Now he faces many, many law suits, which youll likely cry foul about .
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Since you're so concerned with facts, here's some for you to consider. You're correct that Biden got over 81 million votes, compared to Trumps 75 million. But the interesting thing is Biden only won 477 Counties nationwide. By comparison, Obama won 873, and Trump won 2497. So that makes any intelligent person wonder how it was that Biden got more votes than both Trump or Obama. He only won half the Counties that Obama won, and only one fifth what Trump got. Must be that new math.



I agree that Trump lost the election because of the electoral college count. In fact, look at my previous post where I said that was as it was supposed to be.


But if you really believe that Biden legitimately won the election, despite the numerous irregularities and videos that have been posted all over the internet of boxes of votes suddenly appearing from under a table, despite counting in the middle of the night when no one was around, despite the mail in voting scams, despite the refusal to fact check voters names, despite voter harvesting that has been proven to have occurred then I truly feel sorry for you, because you're going to be blindsided like never before.


We're already paying almost a dollar more for gasoline, and tonight he (Biden) proposed even more spending (up over 6 Trillion). The costs of cars, food and housing is already going through the roof and once the new taxes on companies takes hold you're going to see inflation on everything like never before. Add to that the Russians are sending thousand of troops and equipment to the Ukraine border, the Chinese are doing military exercises next to Taiwan, Iran is going full tilt toward gaining a nuke and we have a porous southern border that has doubled the number of illegals entering the United States since Biden took over. It doesn't take a genius to see the problems we're in. NONE of which happened during Trumps tenure. The rest of the world is watching while Russia and China and Iran are testing Biden. You'd better pray that he gets it right (or learn how to speak Mandarin).



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DESTROYER .......this thread being reflections on election and youre now responding with ....oh yeh well what about gas prices .

Biden won the election with the counts being recounted and certified.

Trump tried to cheat and force Republicans in GA to find additional votes but they told him on recorded line no sir its been counted again and the vote is accurate . Google this since you may pretend it didnt happen.

Reflections on the Election .........yes how a con man tried to steal our most democratic process of voting. In Trumps own words hes therefore a loser.
 
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bgreene said:
DESTROYER .......this thread being reflections on election and youre now responding with ....oh yeh well what about gas prices
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The thread was "Reflections on the election" for 2016, not 2020. Since you went back 4+ years just to troll a thread you should be the last person to comment on what I or anyone else posts. But my gas prices (as well as the other things including the new taxes heading our way are perfectly legitimate since they are the direct result of the 2020 election that you're trolling.



And I notice that you conveniently avoided commenting on how Biden got so many votes while only winning 1/5 the amount of Counties nationwide that Trump did and almost less than 1/2 that Obama won. We're still waiting for you to explain it. Your spin should prove amusing.


Once again I'll say that you are just looking for an argument (trolling) and I've had enough. So go ahead and have the last comment.


Polly want a cracker?




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DESTROYER ..... youve had enough ......again ?

Its not trolling since this is:
A....the political forum
B....on topic of the thread

Biden won ......Orange Man lost.
And the MAJORITY of Americans are oh so very greatful .
 
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