Opinion of the President

Re: Argentinians opinion of Bush

I voted for Kerry in the last election...I would have voted for Bozo The Clown if that's what it took to keep GB from goin' back...that position has probably never been ABUSED so much as it has since he took over...

BUT, he and what he does is a PRODUCT of what a group of extremely wealthy, very influential individuals want...they are the ones ''behind the curtain'' at the controls...he is doing what they put him into office to do...

AND he's not the first...won't be the last...it's what American politics has evolved into and will remain as long as a two party system/big money to run, contiues to be the status quo...Willy's right on target, Jeff's observations hit the mark, Franco's there...Tin started this...everybody who's jumped on here feels the same way...and I haven't found ANYBODY who says, ''everything's OK as it is w/our political system...just leave it alone.''...as a matter of fact, TRY to find somebody who feels that way...pack a lunch.

What is needed is organization...

Oh and Jeff...may be time for LOTS of us to ''pull out the soap-box''... ;)...
 
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reelapeelin said:
BUT, he and what he does is a PRODUCT of what a group of extremely wealthy, very influential individuals want...they are the ones ''behind the curtain'' at the controls...he is doing what they put him into office to do...
Click to expand...

Of course....they're the ones contributing millions to the campaign.......so they can get there damn tax breaks!
 
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Things like this is what I was afraid of during the last election:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11079935/

Did we hear anything about that during the last election? Not really. The only issues that we kept hearing about where mainly centered around the Iraq war and insurgency. So I'll ask another question: who decides what the issues are come election time? In my observations the things that should be considered important like the environment, civil liberties, advancing education (especially for those of us who can't spell :P) and technology for a better future get forgotten. Instead issues like abortion make front page news. Our world is going to hell in a handbasket and the country is consumed with abortion.... Seems to me like abortion could be a mute point if we don't start taking a hard look at reality...SOON! Yet scientific studies seem to give results leaning towards what the sponsors of the studies wanted.

But alas I hate it when people offer only criticism without any thoughts of what could be done, so here goes: 1st every american citizen needs to sit through a government class and must pass with a 90% or better. The class should only consist of current events and the way different things are covered (or justified) by the constitution. In lui of the government class citizens can ENLIST in military branch of choice for a minimum of 5 years (might take 7 years to drive the point home to some). Hopefully the result would be a better informed and more active american society. I mean really, it seams Paris Hilton gets as much attention as current events. Hey wait, what if Paris ENLISTED?? Hmmm. ::) On that note I'll pass the soap box back to the next distingushed v20 member! ;D
 
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on the war i say stop fighting pull everyone out, send Sadam back and then go make a glass parking lot out of it. then once the radation clears drill thru the glass to get the oil our selves. as they said in the movie "The Program"  Kill'em all and let God sort them out.
 
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I'm with you Skools. It's not worth anymore American lives.
 
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Any Nat'l Guard out there?...Saw a report on the boob-tube saying all the equipment NG has taken over there has been left over there...humvees, personel carriers, tanks, etc...once they are back home, now they're operating w/as little as 5% of the gear they had B4...and no budget to replace...did somebody leave the ''back door'' open?... ???...
 
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Unbelievable! One of the reasons why the governments response (or lack of) to Katrina, another subject that leaves me baffled.  I felt like I was living in a third world country after Katrina.  There was NO excuse for the lack of help after Katrina.  It's not like they didn't know the damage would be bad.  A cat 5 heading for the coast??????  Yea, the damage will be bad, why wait?  Should have had help on the way BEFORE Katrina hit.  Hurricanes are not like earthquakes or tsunami's where there's really no advance warning.  I was tracking that biotch of a storm, she was HUGE!

Just another blunder by our top government, very sad :-[
 
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Just another example of the politicians forgetting they are there to serve and protect citizens...not the other way around... ???...
 
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Listening to CNN of FOX (one of those) on XM last week, some politician said how the 2-party system works, and Americans don't want to get rid of it. He was a Democrat, and was trying to make the case that the Republicans are trying to "do away" with the Democrats. I nearly yelled at the radio, "The 2-party system WORKS??!" Not for years has it "worked." Talk about always feeling like you're voting for the lesser of two evils? Thank the 2-party system for that.

We need term limits. If it's okay for the President, why not for Congress? What we have on Capital Hill are a bunch of lawyers that spend the majority of their time raising funds to get themselves re-elected. It's really a sad state of affairs. If that possibility, of being a career politician, is taken away, then and only then will these guys vote the way they really feel, and perhaps their votes will reflect the wishes of their constituents.

I would really like to see a 3rd and 4th party that could mount a real challenge to the DemoRepubliCrats. They're all the same: focused on re-election above all else.
 
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They're all too busy trying to come up with ways to discredit each other instead of dealing with the issues at hand,,,what a zoo!
 
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Actually since I was a young fellow and going thru the looming Vietnam draft era I rejected as a lot of my fellow students of that era did the two party system as being a miserable failure. In fact I took a lot of heat from our parents and elders and from the political media because we wasted out vote, were not part of the preliminary election process etc.
I have watched as otherwise good intelligent people voted for the Dem or Rep because that was a party affiliation. Could not even tell me what they stood for, only cared about party affiliation.
Tell me how brainwashed you can get by culture and media.
The big thing I hear again and again is you waste your vote etc. etc. We have heard it again on this post. Yes I know its a two party system and all the other excuses but in reality I am a member of the largest political party in the U.S by a big margin. INDEPENDENTS. Thats right by a big margin. And if we ever get a strong leader and people, including the so called independents stop voting for these carreer sharks we will have a third party system and things will change forever, for the good. It almost happened with a blooming idiot named Perot for Christ's sake. Imagine if a true gifted leader was put in his position we would have a third party. I for one am not voting for the lesser of two evils anymore, I'm finding the best candidate and voting for him.
Look at just our little site, diiferent opinions about some things but I'm willing to bet not much difference of opinion on wether we should change our system to a third party or even fourth.
Come next election look for the best man, woman K-9 whatever and vote for him, get most of the so called independents to vote for them and watch what happens
 
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Well I hate to do this but.....I give thanks daily the W is in the White House right now as opposed to either of the clowns he has run against.

WMDs he did not lie, THE ENTIRE WORLD THOUGHT THEY WERE THERE, an Iraqi General has just written a book and he says Saddam rushed the WMDs out before we went in. Has anyone looked in Syria??

W for better or worse has the Nortons to stand up and do what he thinks is right...even if it is wrong sometimes, he does not lead based on opinion polls like Kerry would have, like Gore would have and like Clinton did.

No other President in reccent history has had the momentous issues to deal with that W has. It is only natural that he get blamed since he is in the hot seat.

I could not care less what Latin America, Germany, France, Italy, Russia, China or California think about America and our politics. It is a natural reaction for any petty little country to resent the biggest, richest, strongest and best nation in the history of the world.  

North Korea, remember them, they officially supported John Kerry's campaign, can you imagine?

Katrina...unprecedented, NO ONE could have anticipated that.

We are not in Iraq for the original reason we went in, but once we were there , we cannot just leave, THE INVASION WAS FOR ALL THE RIGHT REASONS, Saddam was a threat to the entire world.

Osoma has not been caught yet, but he has been on the run like never before, to the point that he is almost totally ineffective.

I hope these opinions don't rattle anyones cage to hard but after being on the pointy end of Americas spear for 20 yrs I have some very strong opinions about this stuff.

I am not a conservative Kool-Aid drinker, and I do not vote the party line, I would have loved for Senator Lieberman to have become President, out of all the candidates I think he would have made the best President, second best is W, Liebernan would have made just as many people angry and been just as unpopular at this point in his presidency because would also have done what he thought was right and not was was popular in California, Canada or France

GOD BLESS AMERICA AND EVERY PATRIOT WHO HAS SACRIFICED FOR FREEDOM. MAY WE ALWAYS HAVE THE FREEDOM TO DISAGEEE IN A PUBLIC FORUM. Now lets go fishin'
 
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"They're all too busy trying to come up with ways to discredit each other instead of dealing with the issues at hand,,,what a zoo!" -Tinman

That's a great observation, I agree 100%.
I also agree that we are very lucky to enjoy the freedoms we have in this country.

I've tried a couple times to formulate reasonable arguments to the effect of

"let's not berate people in other countries for their valid opinions, we will never understand how hard they work for us to have orange juice in the morning,"

but I got too mad each time to be rational. I don't advocate a socialist world where we put flowers in our hair and dance in the streets, but I advocate basic human rights for all countries we trade with.
 
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Ya know how George W knew there was WMD - his dad gave them to Iraq and Afghanistan!!!! Reagan gave them to Afghanistan when they were fighting the former Soviet Union. Old Bush had something to do with it too, when he headed up the CIA.

You wanna get those deadbeat croonies and money hungry career politicians out of office, get those people who vote for American Idol to vote for president and other elected positions.

Me, personally I think we need something like " Mr. Hutson goes to Washington"
 
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Does anyone remeber Bush saying "Besides, they (Iraq) tried to kill my Dad". He said this on national television before we sent our troops over there. My jaw hit the floor! I couldn't believe my ears.
 
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Tin...I'm GLAD somebody else saw that, too!!...THAT'S when he made his first BIG MISTAKE...notice he NEVER said it again...he didn't ascend the THRONE...he was ELECTED Pres....also, the fact that he had Saddam's personal pistol brought to him after his capture...personal vendetta, big part of the whole invasion...

Anyway, like I mentioned, he will be gone soon (not soon enough)...it's what happens next that we can do somethin' about...Willy, all the yak about 2 parties not workin' is right on the money...But until we can field a suitable candidate w/$$ backing, best we can do is vote against incumbent party (unless it's for Hillary...SCARY :o) of everyone running...whoever's in, GET 'EM OUT!!...

Hey Franco...if I get elected, I'll subsidize recreational fishin'..."Mr. Hutson goes to Wash"....whadda HOOT!!... ;D ;D...
 
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Mirage2521, I'm with you (except I did not like Leiberman). I retired from the military in 2004, after serving 25 years (10 Air Force, 15 Army). I was at the Iran hostage rescue attempt, Desert Storm and the one now. I returned from Afghanistan in 2004. I continue to work for the miltary as a civilian. The American people really don't have a clue about all the facts (most of them don't want to). They just believe the hype put out by the media, who just care about how good a story sounds. I just know that as a serviceman I felt in all of the conflicts I participated in we needed to be there. I would rather fight them on there ground than on our ground. Because when they get here we have nowhere to run. People need to quit sitting in their easy chairs making decisions without all the facts and go ask the soldiers actually over there what they think.
GOD BLESS AMERICA AND OUR TROOPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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