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I wish you'd asked a little while back Randleman.

I had a chance at a 22' Twin Vee center console with a tower, twin 90 Hondas, and galvanized tandem trailer for $2500+/-. One of the Hondas was blown, but the rest was a 7 on a 1-10 scale.
 
So ideally I will find a boat with a fairly new 4 stroke already on the stern, but if I find the perfect boat with a 2 stroke on it, I need to be informed.

I am seeing that there are lots of boats in the 2000-2005 year range that appeal to me, many have Yammie and Merc 2 strokes.

I know that you cant disconnect oil injection on the Opti/HPDI motors, but what about the EFI models? Is it necessary on the EFI to disconnect the oil injection or are they reliable enough to leave on?
 
I am about to take the plunge into 4-stroke territory for the first time. Old thinker when it comes to outboards, I like 2-strokes because there are a lot less moving parts. I don't trust oil injection because I know it can fail. I don't have a choice on the Opti as mentioned. I did take the oil infection off the 1998 EFI Mercury and a 60 Mercury and a 90 HP Johnson and numerous V-6 Mercury Outboards. The downside to taking off the oil injection is the motor smoked noticably more at idle. Oil injection leans the ratio out at idle so the motor smokes less as I understand it. Without a load the motor doesn't need as much oil to remain lubricated, so it saves you in the wallet, until it stops working and then POP goes the weasel...On second thought, I might get along just fine with the 4-strokes after all.. Doesn't feel like I have been holding onto much now that I decided to let go.. They have proven to be fantastic in economy and longevity. Stay 4-stroke or let that be a chit to be used to bargain for a better sale price, the re-power angle..
 
If you buy a boat with ANY engine that old, don't put much value in the engine. Most of the imports have rock solid oil injection systems since they were smart enough to use all metal gears for the pumps VS MERCURY's IDIOTIC idea of a nylon crank gear like on the 2.0, 2.4, and 2.5's. When it comes to DFI engines, I wouldn't want one out of warranty. Most all of them require expensive computer software to do much of anything to them, and even a small repair can get up over $1K pretty easily. I would hold out for what you want if it was me, and not settle for one unless your getting a SMOKING deal on it. As for removing the oil inejction, on the bigger engines most all of them had good systems except for EVINRUDE. If it is a regular EFI, you can safely remove the oil inejction, but as you pointed out DFI's MUST have it on them. Carbed engines may require a rejet if you remove the oil inejction as they tend to load up at idle without it.
 
My goal is to find one with a 4 stroke, or to repower with a 4 stroke, but if that smokin deal comes along and my money is not right to upgrade right away I just wanted to know what to avoid.

Seems from what the experts say, stay away from out of warranty DFI.
 
I don't think they did. I believe you had to go to the 25-26 before they put a bracket on them(I may be wrong though). I've worked on several 24's with motors on the transom. That's a hell of a boat and a deal. I looked at a 21 regulator in Supply NC with a 200 two stroke, carb, Yamaha, for a customer of mine a couple weeks ago that was around $25,000. I'd much rather have the 23 with a four stroke on it.
 
Talk about "PRICEY ", $30K without an engine.
Hydrasports Vector? Garage kept (+), mostly freshwater use(+), FICHT(-)

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2000-Hydra-Sports-Vector-624812
GREAT boat, but that FICHT KILLS the resale on them. He can ask that all he wants, but with that anchor on the back he probably wont come close.
Regulator. Did they make these with a full transom?

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1999-Regulator-Classic-619589

NICE! Insert drool here.:nic:
 
I don't think they did. I believe you had to go to the 25-26 before they put a bracket on them(I may be wrong though). I've worked on several 24's with motors on the transom. That's a hell of a boat and a deal. I looked at a 21 regulator in Supply NC with a 200 two stroke, carb, Yamaha, for a customer of mine a couple weeks ago that was around $25,000. I'd much rather have the 23 with a four stroke on it.

That is a really nice boat...maybe it will still be on the market when I can buy.

1300 hrs isn't any thing to worry about on a 4 stroke Yammie is it?
 
the guys who ran hte water taxi sold their first two Yamaha 150 four strokes with 5800 hours, the set they have on there now are getting close to 5000. they've had soem issues(lower units, fuel injection) but not anything that wouldn't happen to any engine with that many hours. That being said, I'm pulling the power head off of a 225 right now that has a leaking oil pan
 
Not bad boats, actually ride pretty nice. Still have wood in them IIRC, and that FICHT on the back is a deal breaker unless the price is right.
That is a really nice boat...maybe it will still be on the market when I can buy.

1300 hrs isn't any thing to worry about on a 4 stroke Yammie is it?
If the oils been changed and it's been run with ring free, 1400 is nothing to worry about.
 
So what do yall think about deadrise?

What is the best compromise?

24-25 deg is best for running in the ruff stuff, 17-18 deg is more efficient, less roll on the drift, so around 20 deg?
 
So what do yall think about deadrise?

What is the best compromise?

24-25 deg is best for running in the ruff stuff, 17-18 deg is more efficient, less roll on the drift, so around 20 deg?
Not many hulls use the 24-25 degree deadrise anymore except for go fasts and boats made for running the snotty stuff at high speeds. They rock and roll so bad that most stick in the 18-22 degree deadrise range, or run a variable deadrise hull. Variable is the best all around I think. A deep keel to get the prop down deep in the water, a sharp bow entry to cut, but a good compromise of deadrise to allow it to still cut but not slingshot on the drift. Theres alot of good compromise hulls out there now that can stil lrun on plane in the rough stuff, just not get up and fly.
 
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