A National Disgrace

Just so everyone knows, because the press does not want to report it but General Pertreus released a statement from the CIA today.

" No one at the CIA, at ANY level told our operators in Libya to not assist our assets there.
Any information that indicates that the Intelligence community gave those orders in incorrect"

The General point blank has indicated that the Whitehouse was directing this entire situation.
We already know that the POTUS and the Sec of Defense Panetta and the Chief of Staff were in the Whitehouse when this was happening real time.
Does anyone believe that the President was not informed what was happening? That anyone in this administration would have made the decisions with the POTUS standing in tyhe room is an idiot.
 
The time line from the presidents calander shows that he arrived at the White House at 4:45pm (About, I don't remember ithe exact time, but this is very close). He (the president), Leon Panetta and the chief of staff went into a closed door meeting at 5:05pm to discuss the situation. They watched the whole thing in the situation room in real time from a drone flying overhead.

The two navy seal hero's were in the CIA annex building and when the fighting started they radioed for help. They were told to stand down. A short time later they again called for help and again they were told to stand down. Seeing that people were in danger they called for help a third time and again they were told to stand down. They didn't.. they rushed to the Embassy, and were instrunmental in the rescue of approximate 30 people that were hiding there. Eventually they went to the rooftop and with one machine gun between them they held off the enemy for several hours. At the time they were doing this they were being observed by the drone in real time. Sec of State Clinton is on record as having asked for help for them. It was never given, never authorized. We had gunships on alert that could have easily dispersed the croud. They were never given the order to take off and engage. Ditto with F-15 fighters we had nearby. Help was less than an hour away and it was never given. Some coward made the desision that they were expendable, turned their back on them and they were condemed to die.

The real national disgrace is that the left wing controlled media is trying their best to sweep this whole thing under the rug. They are hardly reporting it at all. The only reason we even know some of it is because members of families of the dead are speaking out. I'm actually ashamed to be an American right now..
 
The State Department reduced security in Libya in the months prior to the attack, and then refused requests by both the Ambassador and security officials to beef up security. Coupled with the denial of support during the attack, this appears to have been a blatant setup by the Feral Government.

There is serious speculation that this could have been a staged hostage / rescue scenario where Obama would get the captives freed just in time for the election.

Let's flush the Turd on election day, and hopefully someone with stones in our government will get to the bottom of this.
 
reelapeelin said:
Yeah...let's replace one POS w/another POS...that solve all our problems...:deer:
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So what you're saying is that we keep the present POS, knowing full well his horrible record so far? Why would you want to do that? The economy is a wreck, people are out of jobs, gas has doubled since he took office, an additional 10 MILLION people are on food stamps, median income for the average family is $4000 LESS than when he took office. Health insurance has increased over $2000 per person and in 2013 with Obamacare we're about to get hit with the single largest tax increase in history and you want to keep this piece of garbage?

Obama is a known quantity....we KNOW that he's been a terrible president (some would argue the worse in history). He IS a POS.

Romney is an unknown quantity....yes, he might wind up being a POS, but we don't know that yet. However, he also might wind up being the best president our Country has ever had. That's in the future and my crystal ball is broken. I can't see it yet.

Look, I don't know about anyone else, but I've never enjoyed self-inflicted pain. I know that if I vote for Obama I'll get 4 more years of pain. I'll get a horrible government, rising taxes and a move towards the failing European socialism model for our Country. If, however, I vote for Romney I know that he's a Capitalist and that he embraces the Capitalism model that our Country was founded on. The model that has made our Country great. I believe in American Exceptionalism. I believe that the reason our Country is so great is because we are a Capitalism driven society.

My vote is going to Romney.
 
And to get back on topic, try this on for a conspiracy theory. I think this whole thing was an elaborate plan. I think something shady was going on, (gun running for the "Arab Spring" rebels?) I think the Ambassidor was a part of it, and I think that he was set up to be executed to shut him up.

Think about it. When the attack began he was moved to a "safe" area of the embassy/compound. The terrorists knew exactly where he was, they brought RPG's to breach that area, and he was (by some accounts) the first one to die. Over 30 other people made it out safely.

And I think the POTUS either sanctioned it or directed it.
 
Destroyer said:
So what you're saying is that we keep the present POS, knowing full well his horrible record so far? Why would you want to do that? The economy is a wreck, people are out of jobs, gas has doubled since he took office, an additional 10 MILLION people are on food stamps, median income for the average family is $4000 LESS than when he took office. Health insurance has increased over $2000 per person and in 2013 with Obamacare we're about to get hit with the single largest tax increase in history and you want to keep this piece of garbage?

Obama is a known quantity....we KNOW that he's been a terrible president (some would argue the worse in history). He IS a POS.

Romney is an unknown quantity....yes, he might wind up being a POS, but we don't know that yet. However, he also might wind up being the best president our Country has ever had. That's in the future and my crystal ball is broken. I can't see it yet.

Look, I don't know about anyone else, but I've never enjoyed self-inflicted pain. I know that if I vote for Obama I'll get 4 more years of pain. I'll get a horrible government, rising taxes and a move towards the failing European socialism model for our Country. If, however, I vote for Romney I know that he's a Capitalist and that he embraces the Capitalism model that our Country was founded on. The model that has made our Country great. I believe in American Exceptionalism. I believe that the reason our Country is so great is because we are a Capitalism driven society.

My vote is going to Romney.
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Y'all just kill me...you say you don't like self inflicted pain, but you keep pounding yer head on the same tree of partisan politics...YoDaddy's ZACKLEE correct about these two being two sides of the same coin...heads=BOUGHT and tails=SOLD...Admittedly it's far too late to do anything about this election...we're SCREWED either way, because both of these candidates are OWNED and CONTROLLED by money even larger than Romney's...w/his health care requiring us to buy from insurance companies, it's clear Obama is owned by the insurance industry...the banks and wall st own Romney, so we're just pickin' which position we like our sex from...right or left...
I say it's time we say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH...and start demanding of our government that they clean their act up and get money outta our government...I AM A CAPITALIST...I BELIEVE IN CAPITALISM...CLEAR?...but socialism ain't the threat...the threat is GREEDY CAPITALISM (note the difference?) owning our government w/the eventual intent of OWNING US. We need to start contacting every representative in government and demanding they stand up and denounce the Money-Go-Round that has our government completely in their control...you think your VOTE means anything against all the money that flows through the halls oh Congress...the huge money interests like petroleum, insurance, pharmaceutical, agriculture, military industrial and on and on have your government in their pocket...and the Republican Party and the democratic Party are the front men for the whole thing...you say you believe in conspiracies? take a look at the BIG PICTURE...all they are showing you is window dressing...and you and the liberals dukin' it out over details makes their hearts SOAR like an eagle cuz it distracts you from what's really goin' on...we ain't gonna VOTE our way outta this mess...it's gonna take more effort than that.
 
In the mean time, with a known left wing loon in office, with the extreme danger his lying arse represents for the American People with four more years in office and the serious possibility of appointing more left wing loons like Sotomeyer to the Supreme Court and seizing more power to the Executive Branch which he has been doing non stop since he got into office what do you suggest my friend?
Yes in general much of what you say is true in your rant. Many things are highly exaggerated and are often the reasoning people use to not get involved or to not vote at all.
We are in danger as a nation, no reasonable man can step back, look at the "big picture" and determine that Obama represents anything close to what America is supposed to be. What are government under him has become is the exact opposite of what Free People deserve and our Constitution demands.
So this weekend my wife and I are going to be manning phone banks for Romney here in NJ. We have never done anything like that before. I have been an independent my whole life, I payed attention, I voted, but that was it.
When the democratic party turned socialist progressive they became an enemy of America in my opinion. And until GOOD democrats finally step up and reclaim their party from the so called Progressive's that the Clintons and Obama's and Reids and Pelosi's represent then they will continue to be an enemy of the People. They need to be defeated.
So you are right, politics is mostly based on money. Money and sex is what most of life is about across the board.
So here is the question then, unless you are going to lead a revolution in the next eleven days and seize the Capital I suggest you decide whether you want four more years of tyranny and statism from a known Statist or do you wish to leave those two beautiful daughters of yours a world where they have at least as much chance to be free and prosperous as your parents left it for you.
If you want the best for all of us, then your only alternative is to vote for Romney and say a prayer that he will turn our economy around, reduce the size of this federal Orwellian government and bring some spending sanity back to Washington.
Just my humble opinion Reverend!
 
willy said:
In the mean time, with a known left wing loon in office, with the extreme danger his lying arseSo Obama's a LIAR...wow...a lying politician...stop the presses let's stir up some tar & feathers and teach this single individual politician he cannot tell a lie to the American public and get away w/it...certainly Mr Romney would NEVER TELL US A LIE represents for the American People with four more years in office and the serious possibility of appointing more left wing loons like Sotomeyer to the Supreme CourtWhat was that Evangelical's name Crazy Bush tried to appoint to the Supreme Court?...Thank GOD so many people jumped up and down in protest she had to be withdrawnand seizing more power to the Executive Branch which he has been doing non stop since he got into office what do you suggest my friend?And your friend Bush did not seize more power w/the Patriot Act than any other bill this century?
Yes in general much of what you say is true in your rant.And how shall I refer to your many long winded monologs... Many things are highly exaggerated and are often the reasoning people use to not get involved or to not vote at all.You'll find me doing NEITHER of these generalizations
We are in danger as a nation, no reasonable man can step back, look at the "big picture" and determine that Obama represents anything close to what America is supposed to be. What are government under him has become is the exact opposite of what Free People deserve and our Constitution demands.Free people deserve to live under a government FREE of corruption...we point at all the third world countries and accuse corruption when lobbying is the third largest business in this country yet you want to roll over and ignore it because you believe one guy represents a bigger threat than the entire PURCHASE of every single elected official in the federal government...REALLY?
So this weekend my wife and I are going to be manning phone banks for Romney here in NJ. We have never done anything like that before. I have been an independent my whole life, I payed attention, I voted, but that was it.SINCERE CONGRATULATONS...involvement is needed sorely...I truly applaud that
When the democratic party turned socialist progressive they became an enemy of America in my opinion. And until GOOD democrats finally step up and reclaim their party from the so called Progressive's that the Clintons and Obama's and Reids and Pelosi's represent then they will continue to be an enemy of the People. They need to be defeated.
So you are right, politics is mostly based on money. Money and sex is what most of life is about across the board.They are both BOUGHT...remember when you found out there was no Santa Claus...it's like that...Reps and Dems...BOUGHT...and their buyers are calling the shots; NOT YOU...now tell me one is better than the other.
So here is the question then, unless you are going to lead a revolution in the next eleven days and seize the Capital I suggest you decide whether you want four more years of tyranny and statism from a known Statist or do you wish to leave those two beautiful daughters of yours a world where they have at least as much chance to be free and prosperous as your parents left it for you.It's not going to get any better regardless of who is elected...if you don't believe me, lets have this exact conversation in 2016 and see where we are. Til then you may think you do, but you don't know.
If you want the best for all of us, then your only alternative is to vote for Romney and say a prayer that he will turn our economy around, reduce the size of this federal Orwellian government and bring some spending sanity back to Washington.Spending sanity exited Washington long before Obama arrived...don't take this as me defending him...I'm tryin' to convince your brainwashed arse THEY ARE ALL TO BLAME...it ain't just one guy brought all this mess to our doorstep
Just my humble opinion Reverend!And that's more than opinion...THAT'S THE FACT, JACK!...
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Dayum that was fun...:hi:
 
Reelapeelin's got it right-they all work for the same goups-big oil, wall street etc and not for us. Vote for who you want but at the end of the day don't expect anything to change. The only way is to purge every last one of them from the oval office and congress and start fresh. Elephants and Asses screwing the masses! In other news my boat is happily sitting on land hoping the flood waters don't rise and float it off its blocks. Stay safe folks!
 
BRIELLY said:
Reelapeelin's got it right-they all work for the same goups-big oil, wall street etc and not for us. Vote for who you want but at the end of the day don't expect anything to change. The only way is to purge every last one of them from the oval office and congress and start fresh. Elephants and Asses screwing the masses! In other news my boat is happily sitting on land hoping the flood waters don't rise and float it off its blocks. Stay safe folks!
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You know, I don't see anyone offering any solution to the problem. Don't misunderstand me, I totally agree with the premise that our Government is being bought. I've agreed with that many times, in many posts, in many threads. But one person, or even one hundred persons standing up and shouting at the top of their lungs won't do anything except give one hundred people horse throats. It's easy to rant and rave and say our government is corrupt, point fingers and yell. Don't do that, because it will just roll off my back like a ducks back sheds water. You want my agreement, you want my involvement? Give me a plan. Tell me how we remove the cancer that has infected our government.

See, the problem is that the people that make the rules are in control, and they don't want to release ontrol. They are going to lie and tell you anything they think you want to hear in order to get elected, and then they will do whatever they damn well want to, most of it in secret, and they could care less what you think. They pay you lip service only when they think it's to their benefit.

So here's a suggestion. Before you trust anyone, look at what a person has done most of their life. How have they conducted themselves? Admittedly, there is not guarentee that what they say is what they will do, but it's an indication of the type of person you're giving your vote to. Ask them how they stand on term limits. See, the problem is that once they are in power it's almost impossible to remove them from power until after their term is up. Find out if they will work towards making it easier to recall a sitting Congressman or Senator or President. From where I sit, that's about all you can do. Does anyone else have any better suggestions? Hell, I'll listen to them all, and if they are good and legal I'll even work towards implementing them... but until then don't just yell and tell me the sky is falling... I already know it's falling. I just don't know how to stop it.

BRIELLY, I used to live in Toms River. You guys stay safe.. looks like you may get the eye of the storm. So you and Capt Pete and anyone else in that area make sure you're in a safe place. My prayers go out to all of us on this one. Looks like it's gonna be bad. Keep your heads down.
 
Destroyer said:
You know, I don't see anyone offering any solution to the problem. Don't misunderstand me, I totally agree with the premise that our Government is being bought. I've agreed with that many times, in many posts, in many threads. But one person, or even one hundred persons standing up and shouting at the top of their lungs won't do anything except give one hundred people horse throats. It's easy to rant and rave and say our government is corrupt, point fingers and yell. Don't do that, because it will just roll off my back like a ducks back sheds water. You want my agreement, you want my involvement? Give me a plan. Tell me how we remove the cancer that has infected our government.

A PLAN?...Destroyer...why didn't ya just ask??...But don't expect instant results...don't expect it to be easy...and don't expect it to be effortless...BRielly's post above is like a breath of fresh air...and your acknowlegement here was the same...and that's what it will take...NUMBERS...lots of people speaking w/one voice, loud and clear that we are tired of this mess and will not accept it any longer...this thing you are reading right now has become a powerful weapon...it just hasn't been used enough YET...

Here's two things I've done...I went to my U.S. Representative's website, went to CONTACT and sent a short question about how does he feel about money in politics...I haven't heard back from him and honestly do not expect to...but I DID IT. Has anybody else done done that?...Congratulations if you have, but what we need to do is coordinate and do it in NUMBERS...so the first thing we gotta do is come together, coordinate and communicate.

Reach out to CONTACTS in your email and otherwise w/whom you've had this same conversation...I can think of 25 or so, who'll jump on w/me...and I bet several will read this who can bring 25 or so w/them...each of those 25 bring 25 of their own and eventually we got some NUMBERS...it'll take NUMBERS...and COMMITMENT...we don't have to stop our lives, but we gotta single mindedly send the message, IN NUMBERS, AT ONCE to our Congressmen and tell them the jig is up and it's gonna change w/them or w/out them.

How do we coordinate all that hop on the train w/us and communicate w/one another?...I opened a Facebook Page called Independents Against Corruption...it's brand new and will live or die w/participation or not. Some will laugh it off as silly little FB page...and that's to be expected...but I see it as the central communication point to coordinate an effort like this will require. I see several on V20 on FB from time to time and a couple of them have already visited Independents
Against Corruption and LIKED it...who knows where a grass roots ground swell will start?...

You asked what do you do?...the IAC page above is one thing you can do and I hope you will...if everybody who sees this will bring a number of others w/them, maybe we can put together enough numbers to make a difference...Hope see ya there.
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Now this could be some real fun and maybe be the start of something big...no doubt it'll take numbers and time...for this election, it's already too late...but if we don't do something now, we'll be saying the same thing 4 years from now. Bring all the numbers you can muster to the IAC Facebook page and let's start now to make a real difference in who's running this country...big money...or your vote...time to MOTIVATE...
 
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I have registered to vote for the first time in my life!! I am voting for all nobody's, just so I don't vote for anyone in office now cause, they all suck!! I agree to flush them all and start over all NEW.
 
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