crooked Trump or Hillary?
Just to clarify, those headstones symbolize sacrifice and those sacrifices are why we enjoy the liberty afforded us in the Bill of Rights.
Obama, Hillary and their cronies have no respect for our liberty. They wish to rewrite the constitution to fit their thoughts and views. They will do this by stacking the Supreme Court with Justices who emulate their views.
SkunkBoat, while I do not agree with you regarding your political leanings, I respect your thoughts and views, as well as your right to believe them. I also cleary understand your thoughts regarding my views. A popular quote by Eric Hoffer comes to mind... "Rudeness is the weak (person's) immitation of strength." To this, I concur.
Slightly less than half of the electorate might agree with your statement about Obama and Hillary. Slightly more than half of the electorate might agree with this change to your statement;
"Trump,Cruz, Ryan, McConnell and their cronies have no respect for our liberty. They wish to rewrite the constitution to fit their thoughts and views. They will do this by stacking the Supreme Court with Justices who emulate their views."
I apologize if I was rude. It was a reaction to the implication that I am somehow disrespectful of the sacrifices of veterans. As a son of a 30 year Navy man and a 6 year sailor myself, I take your comment personally.
The Republican party and/or Trump(whatever he is) and you do not own the sacrifices of veterans, nor patriotism, nor the flag, nor the constitution.
And I'm not saying that the Democrats own them either.
I'm not a wide eyed fan of Hillary. She is an experienced, competent lawyer-politician
and my guts hate that.
But face it, that is what Congressmen and Senators and Presidents have to be. They have to have knowledge of the workings of government and connections with enough people and groups and associations and businesses to get things done. Some people think that is the problem with government but that is democracy. People band together to argue for what they want.
Hillary has been under scrutiny for 25 years. There have been numerous multi-year, multi-million dollar special commission fishing expeditions trying to pin one thing or another on her. Say what you will, she kicks *** as a lawyer-politician and she's got HUGE balls to keep coming back for more.
I kinda want a bulldog like that working for me. At least she's not Bernie...
Trump will never hold up to that scrutiny. He has opened up a can of worms and he is going "regret" it.
All he has going for him is an appeal to gut reactions. It might feel good, but burning down your house to kill the rats in the attic just leaves you with no house. His rudeness feels good but...
A popular quote by Eric Hoffer comes to mind... "Rudeness is the weak (person's) immitation of strength."
I am so tired of this idea that the government is ruining America. "The Government" IS America. There is no America without it. It is full of every kind of American, doing things that at least some Americans want or not doing things that other Americans don't want. It is one giant messy compromise between us all. Been that way for 240 years.
I hear a lot of bad talk about "liberal democrats" and labor unions.
I don't consider myself a liberal democrat and I've never been in a union, but..
I like 40 hr work weeks, overtime, sick days and vacation, 401k, and medical /dental. I like cars with seat belts and airbags and disc brakes and 30 mpg. I like water and air without lead, arsenic and pcb's. I like the EPA (thank you Nixon). I like that my mom gets Social Security and Medicare. I like that my next door neighbor can't raise pigs because of zoning regulations. I like that I can call "the government" to make my neighbor remove the 20' storage container that has been in his driveway for a year and a half. My wife and I own a flower shop. I like that I can get the police to move a jacka$$ selling roses from a van on the side of the road because he doesn't have a vendor permit and a tax id number. I'm glad the north won the Civil War and kept America and Americans together. I hate to think what the world would be if that were not so. I like the end of segregation and Civil Rights Acts of 64 and 68 because they moved us closer to an America that lives by its words. I like the 14th Amendment that applies the US Bill of Rights to all State and local governments.
So yes, I'm going to vote for Democrats because, as screwed up as they are, at least they are trying to do things and succeeding at some of them. They are looking forward not backwards.
Republicans now just want to undo things. "Government regulation is bad. Vote for me and I'll do nothing new and I'll undo things that the people wanted before".
I think America is great NOW. I'm not afraid of Muslims or Mexicans.
I'm not afraid of ISIS or Al Quaida or the IRA or the KKK... The only way to beat terrorism is to be yourself, live by your values and not be terrified.
The only thing that can hurt America is a bunch of Americans who think they are going to save America from "The Government" with small arms and truck bombs.
So I'm done with the Politics thread.
I hope to see you in the Fishing threads
Missed you and WIllie and Reel and a few others... 
(We need to go fishing).
