so who are you voting for

Tough Call

Here is my thought on this whole issue from an open-minded person.
I basally look at an election, as an opportunity to change or not to change the course a country is on.
Ray Charles can see we are on a path if not corrected will change us to third world nation before you know it.
We need something, and you can word it any way one likes change, direction whatever.
Simple question and simple solution, if you feel we are on a correct course today than eight years ago vote your conscience.
If you are better off today than eight years ago vote your conscience.
Voting seems to divide us why?
Different thinking is the same reason all of us are not millionaires who will tell us apart?
Always vote for what’s right for this great country.
After the election we still be V’s owners and drinking Beer!
GOD BLESS AMERICA AND WE WILL PREVAIL NO MATTER WHO WINS!
Ps:
I am a registered Democrat who voted Democratic only twice, the rest was what was right for the country.
 
I may be one of the few who feels that BUSH has actually not been that bad of a POTUS. The POTUS doesn't have complete control like many believe he does, he is more of a figure in the overall scheme of things. The CONGRESS is the puppeteer, and since it went to the D's we have been on a downward spiral IMO. The problem I see here is that what makes everybody happy isn't neccesarily the right thing. Too many out there are going along with there blinders on and are looking for a fall guy to blame rather than to put the responsibilty where it belongs. I personally don't see how we can afford OBAMA and his plans, but I also don't agree with much of MC CAINS either. Out of the two though, MC CAIN is by far the clear choice. I personally feel that RON PAUL could have done wonders for us as a nation, but he doesn't appeal to the masses. Too many out there have come to expect the government troiugh to feed from, and until that ends things will not change no matter who is POTUS.
 
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I may be one of the few who feels that BUSH has actually not been that bad of a POTUS. The POTUS doesn't have complete control like many believe he does, he is more of a figure in the overall scheme of things. The CONGRESS is the puppeteer, and since it went to the D's we have been on a downward spiral IMO. The problem I see here is that what makes everybody happy isn't neccesarily the right thing. Too many out there are going along with there blinders on and are looking for a fall guy to blame rather than to put the responsibilty where it belongs. I personally don't see how we can afford OBAMA and his plans, but I also don't agree with much of MC CAINS either. Out of the two though, MC CAIN is by far the clear choice. I personally feel that RON PAUL could have done wonders for us as a nation, but he doesn't appeal to the masses. Too many out there have come to expect the government troiugh to feed from, and until that ends things will not change no matter who is POTUS.
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i agree with you, they blame bush because its easier to point the finger to one person than to blame many others. Plus he isnt a great public speaker so that makes him an easier target.
 
I just keep thinking of a book thta I was required to read in high school
during the 70's, it even was a TV movie and I feel it still should be required reading.
The story is called "The Wave" and I believe it is a true story about a teacher
that wanted to show how Hitler was able to come to power with a silver tongue.

I am not calling any candidate a Hitler, but what I am saying is that there are
a lot of sheep that follow blindly into slaughter without finding out the true facts.
There are a number of countries where this has happened and is currently happening.
I would hate to see the U.S. go in that direction,
all it would take is a few constitutional amandments and then we are sunk.
 
This thread (as long as it stays civil) is one of the reasons that our country is so great. We need to have different opinions and we need to be openly discussing them in a respectful manner.
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Mac that article in the Huffington Post was misleading to say the least, first of all the Pelosi led congress has refused to allow bills to the floor which McCain would have voted for because of the election year. In fact read the summary of the 2007 2008 congressional record. Their whole record was fraught with bills and planned negative votes and vetoes to do one thing and one thing only, get a dem in the whitehouse in 2008, where they would have absolute power to do whatever their agenda is. That agenda is a european socialist style state. Government control and intervention in every aspect of our lives and buisnesses. Don't believe that do research even on the annointed ones site and see what he is proposing and has proposed for us all.
McCain has stood by the PRESIDENT, the Commander in Chief, in times of War, he did not agree with how the war was being initially conducted and was one of the senators who pressured Bush into listening to the commanders on the ground and putting the troops needed there to do the job. Was the war the best thing for us, probably not. But look at Iraq now, look what our boys have done in a short time to turn it around. In the end the stability created there may be something that leads to peace in the middle east.
I say maybe, that is not because it can't happen, not because we are not militarily able to do it but because our nation is being led by a bunch of congressmen and women, along with Obamination who have made a calculated decision to place their political agenda ahead of the nations soldiers, ahead of the nations best interest to come out as victors in this war. They have referred to our troops as savages, criminals, incompetents, tried to cut off funding to the troops, led a mass campaigne to denegrate the commander in chief in times of war and showed the whole world that the congress is not behind our troops.

that is why McCain has to vote with the President in these matters and it was calculated to force him to do so, along with every other man and woman of concience in that house.
McCain has placed himself in a position where he has placed the fate of our troops, our country ahead of his political aspirations and is taking the heat for it.
Arguments against the war itself abound, many things are confusing and we still probably don't know the whole truth, and I certainly am not going to say it was the right thing to do looking now with hindsight what the entire congress and the president voted to do at the time based on what they had to look at then.
I will say that what happened after, the behavior of this congress, more specificaly the Obamination and the democratic leadership who controls congress has been nothing less than treason. In a better time, an earlier time when men stood up based on their principles, what is best thing for our nation, these people would have been charged with treason for the things they have said and done for personal gain.
I don't want four more years of Bush, but I most certainly do not want any years of socialism for me and my children and if the Obamination gets into office that is exactly what you will have in short order and you will have absolutely nothing to say about it. And that is by no means a exageration.
 
Willy this what makes the USA great, open discussion. As far as getting us out of Irac, it's going to happen, no matter who is elected. Irac's leaders don't want us there after 2011. Even GW sees the writting on the wall and has changed his position on this.
 
I don't want to be there any longer than needed either, as has been said in the past our nation has fought for people all over this globe and has never once asked for more ground than needed to bury its dead.
In spite of what the socialist party and the major media would have you believe this country has a great soul, it has great heart and the people of this country would not have it any other way.
But we are also the great experiment in all of history. Our nation was founded by men with the desire to be free of a overbearing government and fashioned the most incredible document in history to ensure it stays that way.
The only way this nation of free thinking, free living men and women can lose it is if we vote it out.
In Washington right now, in media centers all over this country, in Universities where the minds of our young are being formed people like Bill Ayers are professors, pastors like you know who in chicago are preaching, people like Ted Turner are running massive media and Pelosi (Pelosi of all people) are running congress and they are being bank rolled by megalopisis billionairs like George Soros and his multiple denomination organizations to do one thing and one thing only, to change this country, and what they want to change it to is exactly what this nation was founded to prevent. Exactly what was abhorrent to free thinking men and women.
The Obamination is the puppet of these people, he has assosiated himself for his entire adult life with these people and has been denying knowledge, assosiation and outright full integration with them.
Right now, this very minute there is a Senior Fellow of the Ethics in Politics Group, a Harvard graduate and a very well respected journalist who has made an entire carreer of accurate research and thoughtfull writing being blackballed, shows he has been on being flooded with emails and phone calls of people reading the same email just to shut down any pursuit of this information. He mearly asked what was the actual assosiation with Bill Ayers and tried to get the public record files of this man that Obama has refered to as someone who just lived in his neighborhood, who he had no real assosiation with.
Well it turns out he has had a major assosiation with this man, had a twenty year track record with him in his organizations and was the director of Ayers organization that recieved at least 110 million dollars from a benefactor who was trying to give his money to those doing work in education. Well that 110 million has disappeared, Obama denies any knowledge and the public records being held in a library at the university have been removed because this person has asked to see them and a mob type juggernaut has decended on this man and anyone else that has asked about it.
This is exactly the kind of sh!t that scares me, this is the kind of attitude of socialists everywhere in the world, their modus operendai they employ and the Obamination is thick in the middle of it. He has been his whole life.
Denying knowledge of his twenty year pastor, his mentor, his personal friend and supporter that along with Ayers and several slum lords awaiting sentencing now in federal court is exactly what our nation should be putting in prison not electing to anything.
When I said you will have nothing to say about it once he gets in I mean exactly that. One way or another the agenda will be followed and we are in grave trouble.
To elect scum of the earth like this, to lead the greatest nation on earth is a tragedy of epic proportions.
There is an alternative, he is not perfect by any means and he would not have been my first choice but he is an honorable AMERICAN and can be trusted to do the right thing, even if he sees it a little different from me that is considerably better than turning our nation into a giant socialist version of San Francisco.
 
Willy were you not scared with Bush and his quest to take away our rights? We need a third party that would be a blend of the two. Billy Mac
 
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Willy were you not scared with Bush and his quest to take away our rights? We need a third party that would be a blend of the two. Billy Mac
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I assume you are talking about wire tapping? I have absolutley no problem with wire tapping someone that might have nothing but destruction in mind for the great people of this country. I have no fear, and nothing to hide since I have no ambitions of wide spread terror and destruction. I challenge anyone here to find any article explaining in detail what "changes" the Obamanation has planned, and the details to how he plans to inact and pay for said changes. If you slow down, rewind the DVR and really LISTEN to what he' s NOT saying, you will learn he really is saying nothing! I really would prefer not to vote for Mccain, my guy was Mike Huckabee, but he is a man of his convictions. As far as that article about Mccain voting with Bush 100% of the time, it actually says he voted with Bush for the last 8 months. "100% of the time in 2008" So 8 months over the last 8 years really isn't anything. With whom has Obama voted with???? Hardly anyone, he's spent almost half of his political career running for POTUS. And when he does vote, he votes with a congress that has done the least and has the lowest approval rating ....EVER! So if your own representatives are not doing the job you want them too, then why would a president born of them do anything better???? All I ask is for everyone to open your ears, and really HEAR what they are saying. Don't just listen to them, HEAR what they are saying. If you are true to yourself and can actually hear past what the candidates are wanting you to listen to, then you will come to understand what mac and lester have been saying so elloquintly. Vote for substance not status, someone that stays true to principles and has had nothing to hide.

And I agree about the third party. I'm a Libretarian registered as a Republican. I believe in self responsibilty and a federal government ment to protect me from foreign agressors, not inable those who take from others. As I've said before, and I'm sure you guys get tired of hearing this, but when our government is where it's at now, you can see why we went to war with Britain. Too much government taking from the masses for redistrubution to others. We aren't represented any longer by these people. I'll stop there.
 
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I agree with those who have applauded the debate going on herein, as long as it remains civil. Willy, you make good points, and you are an informed and eloquent gentleman. Please refrain from comments like "scum of the earth" during your discourse. Your points would be much more effective and perhaps you could persuade folks to vote for your candidate without such rhetoric.
 
I'll tell you what fellas, I'm too young now, but in 6 years I will put my hat in for the presidential race. I've never been arrested, or even gotten a speeding ticket. Never tried drugs. Always paid my taxes, worked all my life and came from a self made family. My father dropped out of high school and grew up on a small farm in Wallace, NC. He has owned his own copier machine sales and service business since 1985. He's not rich, I'm not rich, but I'm a very conservative person. I know right from wrong, and I can bring "change" to Washington. I will push for term limits for the house and senate, and cut the payroll in half for all federal representatives. I will also scrap the unfair health care system in place for our representatives and make them go into a health care system like everyone else in this country.(Paying thier own) If you are on welfare, you will only draw money for a maximum of two years. If you can't get a job after two years there is something wrong with you. The IRS will be a thing of the past. The fairtax will implemented right away. I want everyone in this country to be able see where every dime is going, and who is spending it. With the fairtax, you only pay taxes on what you spend. If you make below $25,000 a year, then you pay $0 in taxes in the form of a prebate each month.

As far as foreign afairs go, I'm taking a no holds barred approach. If any country on this planet has a problem with the way we do business, then you lose our support, money, and protection. If you can do better, then by all means go right ahead and show me, and then maybe we'll talk. If you mess with one of our allies, then you will get the full weight of pressure from this great country. Wether it's from absolute sanctions or militarially, you will know when you do something wrong.

Capital punishment will be reinacted immediatley! If you commit any hainous crime, then you go to death row, not for 20 years, but untill the people in front of you are done. All federal prisons will be included in this too. I will follow Joe Arpairo of Arizona when it comes to prisons.

The real power of this country will go back to the states. All money collected for any reason will only be spent on that particular project, ie social security. If you don't want to pay into it, then don't expect to draw from it. You're all adults and can fend for yourselves, better than the government can fend for you finacially at least. Medical care laws will be relaxed somewhat to allow clinics to go into places such as Walmart and Costco, etc. to make minor medical care far more affordable. Frevaless(sp?) lawsuits will be dealt with as such; if you sue someone for money, and you lose, then you incure all of their legal costs. This will make you think twice about sueing over spilled coffee that was your fault to begin with.

These are just some of my points of action for this country. Take it or leave it, I know what is right and what is wrong. I also know how NOT to spend money, especially money that is not my own. A politician should do the same. Spend tax money as if it is coming out of your own pocket. Don't be stupid. Commonn sense will rise again some day!!
 
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