Ok, Im gonna say it...

The V-20 cuddy does not ride as well as its reputation would have you think. There, I said it. My 18' Manatee rode just as well if not better than my V-20. I will agree that in the ocean with well timed seas the
V-20 shines but in a short chop that you will find in most bays, the ride is less than impressive. I still love the boat for its versatility and lines, I just think the ride is largely over rated.
 
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I use to say the same all the time!! But it always got home in the worse stuff! But it was a slow ride.
CB had the CC and that rode 200 times better then my cuddy! I was jelious but I hate a CC.
 
Mulv - I just took you off my friend list. :nut:

J/K!! Seriously, I value your opinion even though my opinion differs. I feel the V20/21 does extremely well in a short chop once on top of it and trimmed properly. Tabs would certainly help as others can attest. My comparison is strictly based on 20 - 21 foot boats I might add. The entry and the deadrise on the V models is sharper than other boats in its class. Those two factors that are undeniably key to what makes a boat perform well while running in less than perfect seas. And do we even need to talk about flair and dryness since we know the V flair is pretty hard to beat?

Here is an excellent post about deadrise for smaller boats:
http://www.thehulltruth.com/boating-forum/213254-deadrise.html

On the flip-side Manatee is a fine boat as well. Perhaps it can be attributed to the helm in the manatee being further back toward the stern? Or maybe the manatee has a narrower beam and still a fairly sharp deadrise?

Interesting perspective. :beer:
 
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2 weeks ago Me and the MRS was out in ours witha friend following in their 21 seepro, the sound got choppy and we had 2=3 ft chop, we were able to run 25mph where as the seepro couldn't run 18mph or stay in my wake behind me because it was 2 choppy. 21 cuddy with the I/O. Just my 2c's.
 
So let's look at some numbers here. Since I have a V21 and I know exactly where to find the numbers I'm gonna use it for example.

First the numbers for the Seapro 206 WA. The LOA is 4 in. longer. Weight is 100 lbs more. Deadrise 3º less and beam 3" wider.

Sea Pro 206 Walkaround Cuddy Specification
LOA 21’ 8”
Centerline Length 20’ 6”
Beam 8’ 3”
Approximate Weight 2400 lbs.
Fuel Capacity 75 gals.
Maximum HP 225
O/B Shaft Length 25”
Deadrise @ Transom 17º
Approximate Draft 14”


Next the V21

Compared to the Seapro, LOA is virtually the same, weight is virtually the same. The main differences I see is wider beam and less deadrise on the seapro. Two key factors IMO. I bet the entry on the seapro is not as sharp either, but I dont' know on that one.

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The V-20 cuddy does not ride as well as its reputation would have you think. There, I said it. My 18' Manatee rode just as well if not better than my V-20. I will agree that in the ocean with well timed seas the
V-20 shines but in a short chop that you will find in most bays, the ride is less than impressive. I still love the boat for its versatility and lines, I just think the ride is largely over rated.


You just described the condition trim tabs really make the most of the V-20s ride...stick ya some tabs on the transom...and smile!!...:party:
 
Took my '84 Steplift around Newpoint Comfort in the Bay this past Sunday to see what I already knew but had to do it...A stiff Northerly wind 15-20 pushed up some 5-6 footers and the v-20 took 'em up with sea water coming over the bow and over the windshield. I had to know. I love the way the hull pushes water away(except 5-6ft) and rides short chop. I add a little weight in the bow for those short chop days.
 
Got to say I have never been on any 21 foot boat, and especially less that rode what I would call great in a heavy chop or bigger wave sets.
I have a titanium plate across three vertrabae in my neck and am very sensitive to ride.
The 233 Formula I rode in which was a center console it was head and shoulders above anything I had ridden in in a smaller boat before. But when we stopped and fished we rocked and rolled much more. Some find that very un-settling. For me it was worth the ride.
I rode in a older Sea Craft 20 CC and that had a very nice ride compared to the V., but not as sweet as the Formula.
The V and many others are what I refer to as do it all boats, built to give their owners a boat that can wear many hats, it may not do any of it as well as some others but does it all good enough to get the job done. My good friend has the 2550 Maycraft Pilothouse. Heavy duty boat with enough fishing room for a couple of sofas and a ping pong table if you like and my V rides better at 5 feet less but his will do things the V cannot.
The V does keep you drier than most any other boat in its class, it will hold a lot in its huge cockpit and let you do a twenty mile run off shore or go into some pretty skinny stuff when you want. In head seas it will do pretty good until you get above four to five footers at which time you better watch as she will tend to stuff the bow. Especially the cuddy model with so much weight forward.
It is a compromise boat for an all around seaman, if you want a really good ride get yourself a full displacement hull type of boat and go 8-12 knots everywhere and enjoy the worst the water can throw while sipping coffee or get yourself a 26 and above Regulator or Contender and plan on being above 25 knots everywhere you go.
Or do as we all do here and learn to get the most you can out of a great boat that will do it all, just have to slow down a lot in really rough seas as I do especially because of my neck. But usually it means I just get back a little later.
On another note with this I will tell you many years ago I used to go out and fish with an old timer named Sam Russo, he made his living in the old country fishing in smaller boats and in some rough seas to do it. I was running after a day of fishing to get back to the marina and the normal afternoon winds had kicked up heavy on the bay and the 2-4 chop was in full force.
He just sat there and said nothing as we pounded pretty good and I finally asked him what would he do in seas like this, he stood up and took the helm and said nothing, he turned the boat at an angle to the wave sets off our destination, played with the throttle a little to find the sweet spot and we were now riding pretty darn smooth, he got down a little ways and cut the helm in another direction angling across the wave sets for a awhile and we rode all the way back in as smooth as a babys behind.
Sam didn't say a word until I told him thanks, he said the sea tells you how it wants to be run, the Captain just has to listen.
I loved that old coot.
 
I've been in all kinds of boats and gotta say the V-20 cuddy at the right speed ( varies with conditions ) is the driest boat of it's size I know of.

In a short chop,...it glides across the top but, solid as a rock. I've also brought it in from offshore in 8-10 seas and felt safe nuff to not worry about making it in.
 
Hey Willy, I have metal fused to bone too,,,,broke my neck in 1997 shattering C-5 and C-6. I know, I shouldnt be walking,,,I feel your pain.

I rode offshore last winter 9 miles to do some sheephead fishing in a 21 Contender and on the way back it turned to sh!t. The capt is a guy I know who beg me to take him to some good sheephead #'s. He beat me to death on the ride back,,,,I seriously thought about ***** slapping him at the dock. I told him to learn how to drive that boat and use the trim tabs.

I have been impressed so far, and I can say I have pushed it pretty hard since last summer. I think if I had trim tabs I would be really impressed. The V does rattle pretty good in a chop.
 
quick de-rail: Reel, do you have the bennet 0r lenco? i would love to have tabs, but am really scared to drill 15 or 20 holes in my transom.
 
i'll sell you my 9x12 lenco's for a great price. 2 years left for warranty.


Why are you selling them?...were they installed?...

As far as Lenco electrics vs Bennet hydraulics?...I like my Bennets just fine...they operate great...

A good friend has Lenco's on his Everglades and his work great, too!!...

I guess it's gonna boil down to personal experience w/electrical vs hydraulics...both are PROVEN systems...

And phatdaddy...get a tube of 4200 (small tube will do it) and fill each hole before the final run-in of each screw...and before installation, run a solid bead around the contact face of the attachment bracket...you won't have any problems after that...
 
Why are you selling them?...were they installed?...

As far as Lenco electrics vs Bennet hydraulics?...I like my Bennets just fine...they operate great...

A good friend has Lenco's on his Everglades and his work great, too!!...

I guess it's gonna boil down to personal experience w/electrical vs hydraulics...both are PROVEN systems...

And phatdaddy...get a tube of 4200 (small tube will do it) and fill each hole before the final run-in of each screw...and before installation, run a solid bead around the contact face of the attachment bracket...you won't have any problems after that...

yep they were installed and used 3-4 times in the water, im selling because i need to finish my hydro-stream and im on a budget while studying for the series 7
 
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