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Out of the mouth of babes...God Bless those kids over seas and many thanks to them as well for all they have given to this coutry!
Have ya'll forgotten the reason we went to war over there? President Bush didn't say, "Ya know, the UN hasn't given us the approval yet, but gosh darn it we've got to liberate the people of Iraq."
It was to remove a supposed "immenent threat" to the United States. While I respect this kid's opinion and service to the country - as well as everyone's opinion on the site, his political schpeel [sp] makes him sound as if he were born yesterday IMO.
When we destroyed Iraq's infrastructure one could hardly argue that the Iraqi's suffered greatly after our initial invasion. Several lives and years later things are better but still no end in sight. Do we owe it to Iraq to rebuild what we destroyed - you bet. True, great sacrifices are being made and they are not in vein. The sacrifices we are making now are to rebuild what we destroyed based on shotty intelligence and a rush to judgement.
As a side note you won't see me on here slamming McCain or Palin - that's not my bag. Nope, I respect and admire both of them but they will not get my vote. It sickens me to see all of the political attacks, of which the majority comes from the Republican side. I think Obama is right, good ol swift boat politics at its finest. Republicans just keep on proving that over and over.
Sorry had to vent a little and I realize this won't make very popular in Republican V20 Land but what the hell.
The First Amendment rocks baby!
Blue
It was to remove a supposed "immenent threat" to the United States. While I respect this kid's opinion and service to the country - as well as everyone's opinion on the site, his political schpeel [sp] makes him sound as if he were born yesterday IMO.
When we destroyed Iraq's infrastructure one could hardly argue that the Iraqi's suffered greatly after our initial invasion. Several lives and years later things are better but still no end in sight. Do we owe it to Iraq to rebuild what we destroyed - you bet. True, great sacrifices are being made and they are not in vein. The sacrifices we are making now are to rebuild what we destroyed based on shotty intelligence and a rush to judgement.
As a side note you won't see me on here slamming McCain or Palin - that's not my bag. Nope, I respect and admire both of them but they will not get my vote. It sickens me to see all of the political attacks, of which the majority comes from the Republican side. I think Obama is right, good ol swift boat politics at its finest. Republicans just keep on proving that over and over.
Sorry had to vent a little and I realize this won't make very popular in Republican V20 Land but what the hell.
The First Amendment rocks baby!
Blue
Come to think of it this kid probably didn't even have his driver's license when we invaded Iraq so no one can blame him for not knowing how it all started.
THEFERMANATOR
God
Hey BR, I think this video is prudent for the IRAQ war issues. It was not just REPUBLICAN's calling for action. Even during slick WILLY's time actions were being urged, it wasn't until 9/11 that the president was given the go ahead. I do feel that the IRAQ war and the whole war on terrorism was approached in the wrong way, but i don't believe our liberal society would have allowed it to have been fought the way it should have. My biggest problem with the whole war over there is I feel we went in with a tank instead of a scalpel.
http://www.bercasio.com/movies/dems-wmd-before-iraq.wmv
http://www.bercasio.com/movies/dems-wmd-before-iraq.wmv
Right, there were democrats and republicans alike who bought in to the phony intelligence that invasion was the right thing to do. However these days most democrats acknowledge the mistake while republicans and Bush (especially) would never admit that the invasion was a mistake.
Yeah I read an article yesterday talking about a secret new tactic they are using in Iraq to kill al Queda. They wouldn't tell what it was but went as far as to say it was responsible for our current success over there. It said some day we will find out and be amazed and that al Queda is well aware of the tactic and pretty rattled by it. This may be they "scalpel" you are referring to Ferm! I can only imagine what it might be. Supermodels sporting tiny uzi's hidden in their vajayjay? Maybe. I would be amazed....and shocked
lumberslinger178
God
Well I could see the smoke from 9/11 on that clear day from the oceanfront in harvey cadars .....and also had a friend in tower one ...... that didnt make it out....so my opinion is we did the rite thing......
reelapeelin
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Whether it's a Democrat or a Republican that leads us into an unjust war, he points up the reason we should never follow either like sheep...nor should we confuse being an American with blindly following misguided politicians into wars that have nothing to do with being American or being FREE...Dying for a just cause like freedom is noble...dying over a global business deal is not...
Iraqi freedom is just a byproduct...
Iraqi freedom is just a byproduct...
reelapeelin
God
Slinger..I love ya man...but somebody PLEASE tell me what we solved about 911 by invading Iraq?...it was like havin' the dog bite you and turnin' around and kickin' the cat!?!?...
lumberslinger178
God
just keeps em lookin over there shoulder...
reelapeelin
God
We killed 3,000 soldiers and dropped 4 billion to keep 'em lookin' over their shoulder?...
That's cool and all Phatdaddy but the invasion wasn't packaged that way. To put it like that kinda lends credence to the argument that Jr. had a personal agenda to finish what daddy started.
reelapeelin
God
Well Blue...now that you mention it, prior to the invasion when he was drummin' up support, I watched him speaking one night when he said..."another good reason to get Saddam is because he tried to have my daddy killed"...sounds pretty personal to me...that's when all my antennas went up!!...prior to that, I thought we had something in W...he was elected president of a democracy, not handed the crown to a kingdom...I think he got confused along the way...
he's FULL of it...
willy
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Blue, Oz I am not going into the whole thing again, we have had multi page posts on this before.
But I do want to say something here, if you truly believe the only reason we went into Iraq was a vendetta, or to make money on oil then I am afraid you have bought into the left wing agenda and inspite of what has been posted and talked about before it is unlikely anyone will change minds here.
Two quick things
1. we have not been struck for seven years, all of the sh!tbirds are doing everything they can to stop a fledgling democracy in Iraq, something that if succesful will destroy their vision of middle east and then world domination by the true beleivers of Allah. There leadership is hiding in caves and living like the insects they are. When they pop their slimy heads out of the holes American troops are blowing their heads clean off.
They are on the run and Iran, who is behind a major part of this dillusional fundamentalists agenda is right there next door and sweating what our next move will be.
2. there were people who make money off of strife in the world, there were fortunes made during our civil war, was that not an honorable war, do you believe that fortunes were made during WWII? of course, was that to say that it was not the right thing to do?
We all know the answers to those questions.
We had a tyranical despot that went thru over a dozen resolutions from the UN security council, we had intelligence from several countries besides our own that indicated that something needed to be done, if not now real soon.
Then bam our whole world was shaken, and these leaders including Hussein were dancing in the street, literally, on TV for the world to see.
We had an opportunity to go in, take him out and we also took out the Taliban in Afghanistan too, now instead of america waiting for the next bomb to go off at home, for the next wave of disaster we now had something we did not have before, a true battlefield where no towel wrapped sh!tbird would stand a chance against our troops.
There is a lot more strategy to what is happeneing here than what is being said for public consumption.
And to say that our troops are dying just because big oil wants more, or that GW wanted to revenge daddy is a severe underestimation of the capability of people with a lot more intel than we have and I believe a lack of understanding of what has been accomplished.
step back for a moment, forget the kooks and their conspiracy theories and the left wing media assault against a sitting president and the brave men who are fighting our war and ponder what has been done.
Though I am not happy with how some things were done, the strategy of it is brilliant, and our people at home here in the US are much safer, the world economy is much more stable and a major roadblock has been put up in the previously unchecked march of radicals.
JMHO
But I do want to say something here, if you truly believe the only reason we went into Iraq was a vendetta, or to make money on oil then I am afraid you have bought into the left wing agenda and inspite of what has been posted and talked about before it is unlikely anyone will change minds here.
Two quick things
1. we have not been struck for seven years, all of the sh!tbirds are doing everything they can to stop a fledgling democracy in Iraq, something that if succesful will destroy their vision of middle east and then world domination by the true beleivers of Allah. There leadership is hiding in caves and living like the insects they are. When they pop their slimy heads out of the holes American troops are blowing their heads clean off.
They are on the run and Iran, who is behind a major part of this dillusional fundamentalists agenda is right there next door and sweating what our next move will be.
2. there were people who make money off of strife in the world, there were fortunes made during our civil war, was that not an honorable war, do you believe that fortunes were made during WWII? of course, was that to say that it was not the right thing to do?
We all know the answers to those questions.
We had a tyranical despot that went thru over a dozen resolutions from the UN security council, we had intelligence from several countries besides our own that indicated that something needed to be done, if not now real soon.
Then bam our whole world was shaken, and these leaders including Hussein were dancing in the street, literally, on TV for the world to see.
We had an opportunity to go in, take him out and we also took out the Taliban in Afghanistan too, now instead of america waiting for the next bomb to go off at home, for the next wave of disaster we now had something we did not have before, a true battlefield where no towel wrapped sh!tbird would stand a chance against our troops.
There is a lot more strategy to what is happeneing here than what is being said for public consumption.
And to say that our troops are dying just because big oil wants more, or that GW wanted to revenge daddy is a severe underestimation of the capability of people with a lot more intel than we have and I believe a lack of understanding of what has been accomplished.
step back for a moment, forget the kooks and their conspiracy theories and the left wing media assault against a sitting president and the brave men who are fighting our war and ponder what has been done.
Though I am not happy with how some things were done, the strategy of it is brilliant, and our people at home here in the US are much safer, the world economy is much more stable and a major roadblock has been put up in the previously unchecked march of radicals.
JMHO